The Hutchinson Effect

[paturoa]

your signature suits you.
but not the way you might think.

Maybe.

Here is one I've considerred a lot over the years. Perhaps you could too.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

You could be correct about the merkins not going onto the moon until the 90s. I suspect the gods are already smirking.

[jonbuoy]

Because oil isn't used for anything other than generating power? I'm well aware of some of the positives of using unlimited free energy, you'd have to be bananas not to... oh, I see your point there... but that doesn't mean that oil will lose its value or become worthless, especially when you consider the number of people that the industry employs, the amount of $$$ it generates and the likely mininmal costs of unlimited free power generation that would result in a massive loss of employees and profit. I'm desperate to see this tech everywhere. We have it, it is available, but it COSTS TOO MUCH. Epic fuckin fail of gargantuan proportions. It's available but because we can't print some money we can't use it, seriously, someone is taking the piss and that someone is THEY.

Sure the funded "professionals" make breakthroughs, I wasn't arguing that they didn't... merely pointing out that they aren't the only ones by any stretch of the imagination, 'cept yours that is. The guy in the shed is just as likely to form a black hole or create a cold fusion reactor in his yard as the guy in the lab, possibly more so given the right materials. One is bound by his imagination, the other is bound by a chain of command that "directs" what facts of the project receive the most attention. So it's just as likely imho. Just check out the dude who pulled watches and clocks apart to get nuclear material for his kitchen experiment in Sweden. Open yer mind fulla. Also how many minds like that do we lose because they're taught to be a banker? Yet another EPIC fail and waste of minds.



Excellent post . If they're so shit, why do they make solar panels and wind generators? Have you seen the wind power generator from China? ONE, will power 750,000 houses... yes that's right, ONE, UNO, or if you would prefer a visual numeric value



Nope. I recently found out that following scientific research the it was found that tin foil hats would amplify mind control.

It'll be expensive alright, just not in the way you mean. The actual cost will be unthinkable for some. In all honesty I'd rather we didn't start filling our tanks with water unless we start sucking it from the ocean first. The oil industry wastes enough. It hasn't happened because a sound business model hasn't been created yet. The simpler things become i.e. wind power v's retrieving oil from some location, processing it etc... the less money it will generate as the overheads drop immensely. That's the biggest consideration for "THEM" and "THEM" is those who provide funding etc... or won't, I mean don't.

Nowhere have I said only experts make breakthroughs. Although anyone spending a significant amount of time learning studying and practising a subject is an expert so the chances of someone who isnt an expert tripping over cold fusion accidentally while cleaning out the garage is pretty remote. I struggle to make sense of your ramblings sometimes. You dont seem to understand the basics of physics. Chances of making a mini black hole without an atom smasher of significant size - none. Of course you can try to cobble together a nuclear battery in your kitchen- but its not ground breaking technology.

[mashman]

Nowhere have I said only experts make breakthroughs. Although anyone spending a significant amount of time learning studying and practising a subject is an expert so the chances of someone who isnt an expert tripping over cold fusion accidentally while cleaning out the garage is pretty remote. I struggle to make sense of your ramblings sometimes. You dont seem to understand the basics of physics. Chances of making a mini black hole without an atom smasher of significant size - none. Of course you can try to cobble together a nuclear battery in your kitchen- but its not ground breaking technology.

Ahhhh de internetz and context, gotta lubs it. We're agreeing from either end of the spectrum by the looks of things . I don't have an understanding of physics. I rely on others who do, be they amateur and/or stumbling on to something by accident, like, hmmm, an apple falling out of a tree or a stoned hippie inventing cold fusion by tripping over some old particle smashing apparatus his dad has in the garage... but I'm open to it coming from all quarters and wish the dude building a nuclear battery or a perpetual motion device or a car that runs on water should have access to absolutely everything they need to further their research without having to fight "THEM" to get their devices recognised etc... To that end I believe that there is some very very smart tech out there that we will likely never see in our lifetime because "THEY" won't implement it because it's not economically viable i.e. job losses, can't charge enough for it, lose their monopoly etc... I'd like to see things like the research of the dude in the OP, Tesla, Meyer (to a lesser extent), Kanzius etc... followed up because they're fuckin useful and not because they're profitable or not. Til then it seems that some in the scientific community and some amateurs and some joe public people will keep haarping on about such devices as being tin foil hat.

Then there are wild claims such as this "Tom Valone is a former patent examiner who was fired years ago from the patent office and recently won a lawsuit against the US Patent Office. Tom was awarded reinstatement and six years of back pay. Dr Thomas Valone estimated that patent applications for FREE ENERGY related technology have been "secretized" over 3,000 times over the years." being filed in the tin foil hat bin too. True or Tin Foil hat? I'm going for true because I can see reasons as to why "THEM" would want such technologies to not see the light of day.

[Akzle]

Riiight - if the US government is hiding those inventions - now might be a good time to bring them out, US is nearly broke and fighting a pointless war.
ahh. but it's not pointless. it's to keep the money-go-round, going 'round. war costs money. or, to look at it from the corporate side, war is profitable. declaring wars on things like "drugs" or "terrorism" or "the enemies of freedom" is great. completely unquantifiable, never-to-be-won, could-be-anywhere catchall that allow you to impose ligislation on your own people, and bomb the fuck out of some others.
foremost i think the war in iraq was to do with oil, and the fact that if the "global currency" wasn't the "greenback" the american economoney would be gone tomorow, particularly true applied to trading oil.
(so instead of buying it off the camel jockeys with american $$, thus actually making both countrys and commoditys more valuable, they stage a 15 year land based occupation... neat.)
secondly, now that they're in afghani-land, it's about securing a heroin supply for the multi bajillion dollar psychopharmaceutical industry.

The foil hat brigade are convinced all this technology is being with held, by who? And how many generations are they going to hold this information before profiting from it? Are they waiting for the enemy to discover it first?

1 not neccesarily witheld, more, suppressed (is tin-hat belief) asides from the fact i have 0 faith in the americans to do anything right (see below about moon): they're waiting to be told how to do it.
1b the americans have a long history of supressing stuff
1c i read somewhere the other day about some guy who came up with a way to de-ionise nuclear waste. the american govenment (specifically five guys from CIA or something) saw it, then buried it.
(nuclear waste is good for making warheads)

2 there really is no "enemy" anymore. except people who hate freedom.

3 where is the profit, if everyone is "off grid"? if no-one is dependent on the international deals you (as a government) handshake/ go to war for, to get by?

again, there is no money in the cure.
the government do not support small, non-centralised projects, rather than putting solar panels on every roof (chch rebuild is ideal for an eco-city) they would rather run pylons from a powerstation. rather than putting rainwater tanks for catchment off gutters, they need hoo-ering big dams and pipelines to dose you with chlorine and fluoride. all requires infrastructure. all requires spending to keep it going.
it kinda follows the government model. rather than having everyone or every community making decisions for them selves, they need to be made at a central location and distributed to everywhere.
this is particularly evident in both north and southland (and the super-shitty - auckland) where local councils are being agglomerated, for whatever reason.

centralisation is not the answer.

Are they waiting for their own economy to collapse? If the US had technology for unlimited energy they would love to bring it out (just for themselves and close friends you understand) it would make all that silly black fluid under the deserts of Iran and Iraq completely worthless.

no. there's still some billions of cars, trucks, container ships, trains, aircraft etc (not to mention the american military apparatus) that run on the silly black stuff.
that won't change overnight.
they're probably waiting until the corporates can claim a patent on the technology, which is difficult when you're trying to patent stuff like magnetism, or gravity, or water (doesn't stop companies from trying - check out the water bottling companies in india)
it's okay though, they're going to keep stripping nutrients out of the food, up the levels of fluoride in the water supply, change the formula for the dietary supplements you will need, tweak your psychiatrists prescription, and hey presto: an impressionable / supressable population that will do nothing more than go to work, pay tax, watch tv and prop up the corporate elite.

o. wait on.

I´m sure one day we will manage to extract energy from matter or room temperature superconductors - chances are it wont be done by a stoned old hippie in his basement playing around with some under table magnets a heathkit transmitter and a radio shack signal generator.

and that's exactly the type of development that "science" goes for.
binary.
even the best computers come back to binary. (yes/no, on/off) the fact that they can do it a squillion times a second is irrelevant.
we haven't cracked "organic" computing. we haven't cracked organic anything.
humans cannot create consciousness. fortunately we've been provided with it, that would kind of indicate we should be pursuing the betterment of what we've got, rather than making things smaller and faster. (oh but being smaller and faster allows for more monetary profit. doh!)

If you cant see how insignificant unlimited free energy and nanotechnology makes oil and coal then you got mash in your head.
as above.

Who is this "they" you speak of?
the board of dark shadowy figuires, obviously.

Maybe someone will stumble onto the cure for cancer in the Amazon jungle...

there is a cure for cancer. don't get it. how high do you think the incidences of cancer are in the amazon jungle? how high in ancient maya, egypt... wherever?

humans have created cancer.
i think it's a bit like karma.

solar and wind generation but fail to realize that neither of these technologies are efficient enough at this stage to provide enough power to offset traditional energy generation methods.

that depends how they are implemented. if every home supplied 40% of their energy off panels on their roof.. well, i'm not going to do maths, i haven't had coffee yet, but it would decrease the requirement for centralised generation by A LOT.

Maybe.

Here is one I've considerred a lot over the years. Perhaps you could too.

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

You could be correct about the merkins not going onto the moon until the 90s. I suspect the gods are already smirking.

so.. you think they DID land on the moon because of some media hype,
i think they DID NOT because the ruski's got there first and the american's didn't want to look like dumbarses to their own ignorant and believing population, so they made it up... hell they were still blowing people up in the late 80s...
the ruskis put a rover on mars, what, 30 years ago? didn't hear shit about that when the yanks landed theirs, did ya?

i judge truth by my knowledge, tis all anyone can do. i am not omnipotent, neither are you.

[mashman]

Currently, snigger, the power where we are is up and down like a hoors undies. Damn I wish I could afford my own suppy, if only to keep the freezer and oven going.

[cc rider]

Bloody Hell... ran out of butter for the popcorn. Chat amongst yourselves, I'll be right back...

[mashman]

Bloody Hell... ran out of butter for the popcorn. Chat amongst yourselves, I'll be right back...

Last Tango In Paris again huh.

[Laava]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=m...&v=4-YwbgXpnkA
The comments say a whole lot. Not very eloquently tho.

[scissorhands]

In the future, there will be so much crazy stuff.
Imagine going back in time with a laptop full of video's of strange and wonderful things.
The Sky Bike.... climb and descend to designated height under centralised flight path computers [esp in rush hour]
plus normal 1 dimensional handling at altitude
Bit like a jet ski
Aucks to Welly in under 2 hours
Maybe even a moped class sky bike for commuters
Imagine the instrument panel

[Akzle]

The Sky Bike.... climb and descend to designated height under centralised flight path computers
...
Imagine the instrument panel

hahahhahahahahahhaaha-fucking ha.
have you seen the muppets on our roads?no way in hell they're gonna be able to operate in another dimension. 3 is more than enough for their puny brains.

plus, i've got a cupboard full of buckshot.