Middle East

**Bald Eagle** · 23rd November 2012, 15:12

Drop a bike enough nuke, all the sand turns to glass, lovely big fish bowl... problem solved.

**Brett** · 23rd November 2012, 15:29

Originally Posted by Swoop

You may find the problem areas of house-building are in the areas of land captured during one of the many wars.
Seems to me if you attack a country with military force, and lose, you risk losing some of your own territory as well.

Not if your Israel. In their case, their neighbours attack them (3 vs 1 in the case of Israel vs Jordan, Egypt, Syria in 1967 - all three who were defeated in 6 days none-the-less) hoping to wipe them out, instead get beaten and driven back and then they are expected to return the captured land. Fair?? I really don't think so either!

**Brett** · 23rd November 2012, 15:31

Originally Posted by actungbaby

yet the isreail govt will not let the palstian people have there land that was agreed after world war 2 , for pitys sake the decent prime mister that had it sorted they shot him dead, he was great man.

know the isreal govt contempt to keep building new houses on the land they are so arogant its seems they have the attitude that can do anything because what happened during second world war(which was horrendous) of course but 2 wrongs dont make a right.

Yeah...that went out of the window once, just after signing the agreement, Israels retard neighbours decided to declare war on them with the intention of destroying them...their neighbours kind of got their arses handed to them and Israel got to claim more land. Ironic much? I think so.

**Edbear** · 23rd November 2012, 16:41

Pays to check your history. The Media don't always give the full story...

But everyone knew that, right..?

**Banditbandit** · 26th November 2012, 11:38

Originally Posted by Edbear

Pays to check your history.

That's True . the Jews have been occupying that land since their God gave it to them

Genesis 15:18-21 the boundary of the promised land is clarified in terms of the territory of various ancient peoples, as follows: On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."

Well - guess what happened to all those people? And the Jews have had to use force to keep the land ever since ...

And we think the problem is the Palestinians? The problem is the violent terrorist state of Israel ..

**MisterD** · 26th November 2012, 12:31

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Well - guess what happened to all those people? And the Jews have had to use force to keep the land ever since

Conveniently ignoring the fact that genetically, the vast majority of "Palestinian" Muslims and "Israeli" Jews come from the same pool. The distinction is cultural and religious, not racial.

I don't get how the Muslims get to claim the Jews stole their land, when they're nearly all decended from Jews and Christians who converted to Islam.

**oneofsix** · 26th November 2012, 13:42

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

That's True . the Jews have been occupying that land since their God gave it to them

Genesis 15:18-21 the boundary of the promised land is clarified in terms of the territory of various ancient peoples, as follows: On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."

Well - guess what happened to all those people? And the Jews have had to use force to keep the land ever since ...

And we think the problem is the Palestinians? The problem is the violent terrorist state of Israel ..

The problem is that the Jews did not follow their Lord's commandment and instead left some of the previous occupiers alive.

**Edbear** · 26th November 2012, 14:23

Originally Posted by MisterD

Conveniently ignoring the fact that genetically, the vast majority of "Palestinian" Muslims and "Israeli" Jews come from the same pool. The distinction is cultural and religious, not racial.

I don't get how the Muslims get to claim the Jews stole their land, when they're nearly all decended from Jews and Christians who converted to Islam.

Wot he sed...

**Banditbandit** · 26th November 2012, 15:27

Originally Posted by MisterD

Conveniently ignoring the fact that genetically, the vast majority of "Palestinian" Muslims and "Israeli" Jews come from the same pool. The distinction is cultural and religious, not racial.

No-one ignores that .. The Jews claim descent from Abraham via his wife Sarai ... who had a son called Isaac and Islamic people from Abraham via his Handmaiden Hagar .. who gave birth to Ishmael.

I don't get how the Muslims get to claim the Jews stole their land, when they're nearly all decended from Jews and Christians who converted to Islam.

Islam is certainly a newer religion than Judaism (the oldest of the three) and Christianity ... but the Arabs were neither Jewish nor Christian .. they had their own religions until they all became Moslems after Mohammed's revelations - (some were forced to adopt Islam) but some Arab groups are still not Moslem - they maintain their own tribal religions ...

But it was Palestinian land until 1948 when the Brits pulled out - leaving the jewish settlements surrounded by the Arab states ... then the Jews established their own state by force of arms ..

**Edbear** · 26th November 2012, 18:03

Not quite correct, it was a bit more complex than that.

http://history.state.gov/milestones/...CreationIsrael

**avgas** · 26th November 2012, 19:08

Originally Posted by Swoop

20 November, 2012: Israel has bought seven batteries of Iron Dome anti-rocket missiles. Four are in action and a fifth one entered service several weeks early (on November 17) because of the major rocket assault Hamas and other Islamic terror groups in Gaza launched on November 14th.

Out of interest how does the Iron Dome(s) stack up against the ol' fashion patriots an C-wizzes? I imagine better - but I am so out of the loop on that stuff these days.

**Swoop** · 26th November 2012, 20:18

Originally Posted by avgas

Out of interest how does the Iron Dome(s) stack up against the ol' fashion patriots an C-wizzes? I imagine better - but I am so out of the loop on that stuff these days.

Comparing apples and oranges there.
IRBM threat or anti-aircraft = Patriot. Even more modern is the new THAAD systems to get to those "hard to reach" places.

Short range missiles are the food for ID however. There was also an earlier protection system (prior to ID) which used Phalanx systems running new software and these were even effective against mortar shells fired over the wall. I would not be surprised if these were still in use as well.

There does seem to be a shortage of the ID missiles now. The manufacturer of the Tamir missiles is working around the clock to keep up the supply and replenish stocks.

**Banditbandit** · 27th November 2012, 10:56

Originally Posted by Edbear

Not quite correct, it was a bit more complex than that.

http://history.state.gov/milestones/...CreationIsrael

Yeah maybe ... most of that was the posturing and hot air before Britain pulled out .. leaving the Jews at the apparent mercy of the surrounding Arab states .. and while Truman made nice noises he did fuck all ...

The result was the Jews kicked the shit out of their Arab neighbours - and have needed to maintain their state through violence ever since ..