Tazers

[Skyryder]

Good question. Why are they 50,000volts? I've zapped myself with 240v and I really don't want to do it again!

Yep saw a guy go down pissing on an electric fence a few years back.

It's not the volts but the amps that do the damage.

I wonder how many amps these things use.

Skyryder

[Edbear]

It's not the volts but the amps that do the damage. Skyryder

Don't let Lou hear you say that... (AMPS?)

[Grahameeboy]

Don't let Lou hear you say that... (AMPS?)

Very good Sir.........................

[bugjuice]

Good question. Why are they 50,000volts? I've zapped myself with 240v and I really don't want to do it again!

that is one difference tho, thing with house power (I'm sure to get this bit wrong) runs on AC, where as tazers run something like DC, so altho the voltage is intense, it's not lethal, to a degree. It all comes from two batteries, and think how much a battery would put out. 50k house volts would cook something. 50k DC volts gives ya a tingle. I just think (and I know i've kind of been contradicting myself here), it's still a lot if it can drop a bull like that, does it need to be that high for human consumption?

[Grahameeboy]

that is one difference tho, thing with house power (I'm sure to get this bit wrong) runs on AC, where as tazers run something like DC, so altho the voltage is intense, it's not lethal, to a degree. It all comes from two batteries, and think how much a battery would put out. 50k house volts would cook something. 50k DC volts gives ya a tingle. I just think (and I know i've kind of been contradicting myself here), it's still a lot if it can drop a bull like that, does it need to be that high for human consumption?

Werrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......ht.......I suspect a Bull's tolerance may not be as good as us humans.....maybe we should test it out on Cowpoos at Manfield in a few weeks as he likes a shot up the bum!!!!

[Edbear]

Very good Sir.........................

Why, thankye, kind Sir!

[Edbear]

that is one difference tho, thing with house power (I'm sure to get this bit wrong) runs on AC, where as tazers run something like DC, so altho the voltage is intense, it's not lethal, to a degree. It all comes from two batteries, and think how much a battery would put out. 50k house volts would cook something. 50k DC volts gives ya a tingle. I just think (and I know i've kind of been contradicting myself here), it's still a lot if it can drop a bull like that, does it need to be that high for human consumption?

Oops! Forgot about the AC/DC bit! Can any techie types help us laymen out here?

[Grahameeboy]

Why, thankye, kind Sir!

fair to middling gaffer....mind you Lou has plenty of AC Aggravating Charm and DC Direct Crap.....

[Edbear]

fair to middling gaffer....mind you Lou has plenty of AC Aggravating Charm and DC Direct Crap.....

Aye! And 'e would'na be a salesman by any chance...?

[Wolf]

Is it really necessary to have that much power running thru that it can drop a bull clean...???

I've heard that people on Angel Dust have absorbed a large number of "lead pacifiers" and still kept coming because they are oblivious to the pain and trauma and nothing instantly fatal has been hit yet.

With Tasers, it's not the pain, it's the temporary scrambling of your nervous system that puts you down - no matter how big, how strong, how high. You need sufficient power delivered appropriately to have any effect - those toy "Taser Wands" they sell for personal defence in the States don't cut it - you have to hold them firmly to the attackers body for a continuous 4 seconds for them to maybe work. The Taser gun, however, spreads the points of contact across a decent area and then delivers the appropriate payload - that will stop a human or a bull or pretty much anything else with a central nervous system.

The bull went down - not because it was hit hard but because it was hit efficiently. Dropping the payload will merely render Tasers less effective against everything.

As to the "self protection" Taser Wands, the movies portray them as more efficient than the Taser guns when in fact part of one self-defence training course is to have an instructor jam a taser wand against your bare flesh for the requisite 4 seconds and then you are to shoot a five-round group into the target with your pistol within a designated time - no one has failed that part of the course. The taser wands have consistently failed to prevent a person functioning as they so desire - and that was people who had agreed to stay still and let the instructor hold the taser wand against them for the 4 seconds - not would-be attackers or rapists who are less likely to be so obliging.

[Colapop]

Far as my reckoning goes (brains a bit foggy since college) it's something like a pipe full of water,
Volts = volume
Amps = how fast the water is flowing
So you can have a large diameter pipe that has low flow (and not get hurt) or a small dia. pipe with big pressure (and blow a hole through ya)

Least that's the way I 'member it.

[Edbear]

Far as my reckoning goes (brains a bit foggy since college) it's something like a pipe full of water,
Volts = volume
Amps = how fast the water is flowing
So you can have a large diameter pipe that has low flow (and not get hurt) or a small dia. pipe with big pressure (and blow a hole through ya)

Least that's the way I 'member it.

Thanks! Even I can understand that!

[Wolf]

Oops! Forgot about the AC/DC bit! Can any techie types help us laymen out here?

Both are AC - the Taser circuit converts the DC battery power to AC and steps up the voltage (don't ask me how I know) but the maximum Wattage (volts times amps) of the batteries is low so the increase in voltage at the cost of amps - the wattage (the real thing that gets ya) is considerably lower than the 240V x 10A you get from the mains - it's just delivered better...

[Edit] 50KV is chicken feed - you get well over a million volts when you get a static shock touching a metal door handle or getting out of an un-earthed car with synthetic seat covers - the wattage, however, is negligible as the amperage is near non-existant (there is flow, but only just), you get a lot more damage poking your finger in a wall socket because 240v times 10 amps is 2400 watts or 2.4 kilowatts of electricity coursing down your body.

[Colapop]

The cattle prods we had on the farm were bloody good for practical jokes too! 50k and 250amps of "Bwahahahaha - you're leg is numb??!!?? Hahahahaha!!!" All ya do is leave one prong side up under a thin jacket under the back of a chair....

[Skyryder]

Not sure if this is the model that the police are trialing
but here's some specs.

http://www.cookselfdefenseproducts.c...tions-info.htm

Amps are 133mA.

Skyryder