Two motorcyclists dead - Wanaka region

[Katman]

What I find interesting and it annoys me a little, is that this thread was originally posted on the 'General Bike Ravings' thread by me

What's happenening to KB recently or, am I missing something ?

Didn't you get the medal that's given to people who are first to report an accident?

[Genestho]

Didn't know Deno well, but the respect and genuine time out he took for me and mine meant a lot, seemed like a real good bloke.

A visiting asian lady took out an old friend of mine, my boss at the time near 20 years ago I was quite young.
He'd just picked up his new Triumph which was on the trailer, she came round the wrong side of the road killing both him and his dog, who was in the back and seriously injured a friend who was the passenger.

Seemed incredibly unfair then, as it does now.

I followed an asian for near 20 km's not long ago in her BMW somewhere from Whakatane to Tepuke, she was a psycho - drove into oncoming traffic and passed a car on a corner, then barrelled straight through a round about in Tepuke, stopping cars she should've been giving way to. I called it in.

Looking at the details and charges here, something should be in place to bloody test tourists for their understanding (or lack of) of our road rules!!!! I'll be asking my local MP about it!

RIP Deno and thoughts are with family and friends of all the riders involved.

[Stylo]

Didn't you get the medal that's given to people who are first to report an accident?

You've totally missed the point Katman ,

You're special , take care aye ?

[FJRider]

What I find interesting and it annoys me a little, is that this thread was originally posted on the 'General Bike Ravings' thread by me , as it was correctly intended and , rightly so. Last evening around 6 pm . Two People were killed for crying out loud!

Within 15 minutes the thread was demoted down the ladder to this trivial platform at the bottom of the bucket along with 'Jokes and Humour' etc called the 'Rants and Raves' thread ,And here we are .

Like two people dead does'nt matter.

What's happenening to KB recently or, am I missing something ?

What I find interesting ... is the member that a few posts ago ... said he didn't trust anybody to keep him safe on the roads. Did the guys involved in the accident trust other road users to keep them safe .. ??? I'm pretty sure they expected other vehicles to stay on their side of the road. Even if they themselves may have crossed the centerline ... if it suited. They all may have even been familiar with that road.
And I wonder if one rider would still be alive ... if they had at least a two second gap between motorcycles.
Site rules limit what you can say in such threads ... and some may see it as stupid ... or in poor taste to even start a thread on motorcyclist deaths.

Would any of the other riders in the group have learned anything ... that may prevent their deaths in the future .... and act on it .. ??
Or is it just a case of more (innocent) bikers are killed by a stupid (female) cage pilot ...

[jellywrestler]

Looking at the details and charges here, something should be in place to bloody test tourists for their understanding (or lack of) of our road rules!!!! I'll be asking my local MP about it!

At the very least access to that info on flights into our country. I went to Aussie a few years back and wasn't intending to drive, ended up in the hot seat and got a couple of whoas from my passenger over simple give way rules that were different than here then. If there'd been a brochure on the plane i certainly would've read it.
that would be a start...

[Katman]

You've totally missed the point Katman ,

I'm sorry, has this thread got special powers that can wind back time?

[FJRider]

You've totally missed the point Katman ,

You're special , take care aye ?

There was a point in your post ... ???

All the care in the world wont prevent idiots from doing their worst ... at the worst possible time.

Put yourself in either of those riders position ... and what would YOU have done differently to save YOUR own life .. ???

[Genestho]

At the very least access to that info on flights into our country. I went to Aussie a few years back and wasn't intending to drive, ended up in the hot seat and got a couple of whoas from my passenger over simple give way rules that were different than here then. If there'd been a brochure on the plane i certainly would've read it.
that would be a start...

Nice! I totally agree, that would be a good place to start! It's incredible that we don't already! Seems so darn simple!

[Hitcher]

What I find interesting and it annoys me a little, is that this thread was originally posted on the 'General Bike Ravings' thread by me , as it was correctly intended and , rightly so. Last evening around 6 pm . Two People were killed for crying out loud!

Within 15 minutes the thread was demoted down the ladder to this trivial platform at the bottom of the bucket along with 'Jokes and Humour' etc called the 'Rants and Raves' thread ,And here we are .

Like two people dead does'nt matter.

What's happenening to KB recently or, am I missing something ?

"Biker Down" threads are moved to R&R by the Moderators. Why? Apart from the fact that they're usually about dead bikers, they contribute little to the biker community. At best they're speculative and non-constructive affairs that generally end in disagreement and tears before bedtime. In nearly all cases the facts of the accident are never revealled. Coroner's reports generally take some months to be made public. Most comments are generally along the lines of "RIP biker", "he died doing something he loved" or similar ways of boosting one's post count. Facebook seems to be the best place for kudos to be generated from "ZOMG Biker Down" threads. At least there posters can't "unlike" them and are generally ever-so-nice to each other.

[PrincessBandit]

At the very least access to that info on flights into our country. I went to Aussie a few years back and wasn't intending to drive, ended up in the hot seat and got a couple of whoas from my passenger over simple give way rules that were different than here then. If there'd been a brochure on the plane i certainly would've read it.
that would be a start...

Large reminders in rental cars would also be good. (I actually thought that was being done at one stage???) It's incredibly easy for tourists who normally drive on the other side to forget in a split second moment of concentration lapse. We'll be keeping our eyes peeled and ears open as per usual on our big trip in January since tourists and idiot road users will no doubt abound.

[FJRider]

Large reminders in rental cars would also be good.

New Zealand authorities paint little white arrows on the road to remind tourists which side they should be on ... and some still forget. And in "Pressure situations" .. they revert to their home rules on instinct. Happens quite frequently down this way ... with visitors going to/from Queenstown.

[Paul in NZ]

Large reminders in rental cars would also be good. (I actually thought that was being done at one stage???) It's incredibly easy for tourists who normally drive on the other side to forget in a split second moment of concentration lapse. We'll be keeping our eyes peeled and ears open as per usual on our big trip in January since tourists and idiot road users will no doubt abound.

Every proper rental car has a keep left sticker on the speedo and literature is available... Not sure about the renta dents.

That does not apply to the cheapie scored of trademe for a last trip around the south island before its passed onto some other foreign muggins to repeat.

[Edbear]

New Zealand authorities paint little white arrows on the road to remind tourists which side they should be on ... and some still forget. And in "Pressure situations" .. they revert to their home rules on instinct. Happens quite frequently down this way ... with visitors going to/from Queenstown.

That is the issue. People are conditioned to react a certain way and in an emergency will jerk the wheel to that side, or if concentration slips, either by distraction or fatigue or something else, they will drift back to "their" side of the road.

[Genestho]

That is the issue. People are conditioned to react a certain way and in an emergency will jerk the wheel to that side, or if concentration slips, either by distraction or fatigue or something else, they will drift back to "their" side of the road.

What about if they're driving with ignorance "careless driving causing death"? Jerking..the wheel isn't the issue.

I suppose we'll learn more as facts unfold.

FYI, I have sent my email to my local MP who is also Associate Transport Minister, I'm interested to see what's said, being that it will end up before courts I have mentioned this case but discussed the Tourism issue in general and a recent experience.

[Edbear]

What about if they're driving with ignorance "careless driving causing death"? Jerking..the wheel isn't the issue.

I suppose we'll learn more as facts unfold.

FYI, I have sent my email to my local MP who is also Associate Transport Minister, I'm interested to see what's said, being that it will end up before courts I have mentioned this case but discussed the Tourism issue in general and a recent experience.

True, as a previous poster said about following a certain lady in a BMW, however these types are usually residents of NZ rather than visitors.

We'll be interested to hear what response, if any, you get.