Ranting about NZ retailers

[Robert Taylor]

Amazing how your bubble is burst over and over and over and yet you never notice it as it just doesn't fit what suits you.

As has been pointed out, the effect of crippling the man on the street in order to funnel their money to you is the greater cost, But hey, don't let the numbers get in the way of your delusion.

The world wasn't put here to suit you, and you alone.

Oh for gods sake, your line of thinking and intent to argue is getting ( frankly ) pathetic. Who suggested it was about me? Read my posts, Im all for NZ first and foremost being an export economy. The man on the street is also unwittingly exacerbating the situation, you cannot blame anyone for seeking a good deal but when gst is constantly bypassed the Government coffers suffer, also their ability to provide services and ( if you like ) social justice.

[Headbanger]

Oh for gods sake, your line of thinking and intent to argue is getting ( frankly ) pathetic. Who suggested it was about me? Read my posts, Im all for NZ first and foremost being an export economy. The man on the street is also unwittingly exacerbating the situation, you cannot blame anyone for seeking a good deal but when gst is constantly bypassed the Government coffers suffer, also their ability to provide services and ( if you like ) social justice.

Rob, I don't consider you even understand your own argument, Never mind being capable of evaluating it in the context of social change.

If you are getting addressed personally, its no doubt because your personally engaged in the debate and used yourself as an example. I didn't see anyone call you out before you made your appearance?

[Flip]

The gear change linkage rod on my Harley just busted.

Its a 12" 1/4" dia rod with two ball ends on it. From the local dealer delivered to my door $45.

Not all dealers are stealers. If it was a part for a triumph or honda it would have been 5-10 times that, not that they have anything as cool as a external gear change linkage rod...

[Robert Taylor]

You're not wrong there. Obviously include yourself in that group.

Care to comment on what the Australian Productivity Commission concluded re lowering the GST free threshold?

Why would it be any different here?

When Customs came back to Maurice Williamson regarding NZ gst threshold they included an estimation of how much money the country would SAVE if the gst free threshold was raised to the same level as Aust.
Hence not only is the govt not lowering it, they are not ruling out lifting it.

Just to get a few more sales you would want to lumber the country with more expenses and costs
As for your suggestion that the govt could force banks to collect gst.
Have you actually thought it through?
To make it work would cost a fortune.
And of course the extra compliance costs for a system that doesn't work will be passed on to who ? me and you and every other person in the country.
All because you think people shouldn't have a choice as to where they buy there stuff.

Not to put too fine a point on it, its business's like yours which contribute to our woeful balance of payments situation.
Rather than export goods and services and import money, you export money and import goods.
So instead of whinging about private importers causing the downfall of kiwi society, how about looking in the mirror ?
And if you wish to drag someones social conscience into the discussion, check your own out first

The Government should find a way of accruing gst on every import. Time for them to get ballsy about it and find a workable and cost effective solution, maybe its not impossible?

People have a choice where they buy their stuff from, that is a reality of retail. We add vlaue and that means we get a reasonable slice of the market. That is how we compete ( aside from thin margins )

We employ New Zealanders, subcontract machining and construction to NZ companies and unlike overseas reselling companies in our industry we put money back into the NZ economy . And we use a reasonable quantity of NZ made and sourced materials, like anyone in the motor and related industries

Retailers in NZ of all products are united in wanting Government to significantly lower the gst threshold so that at least they have a slightly better chance of competing. So, is it just me asking for this? Of course its not.

Im not even getting into an argument about social conscience with you as you are not ballsy enough to come clean who you are.

[Robert Taylor]

Rob, I don't consider you even understand your own argument, Never mind being capable of evaluating it in the context of social change.

If you are getting addressed personally, its no doubt because your personally engaged in the debate and used yourself as an example. I didn't see anyone call you out before you made your appearance?

We can agree then to disagree

[Headbanger]

No argument about that. No one is asking for monopolies, just a level playing field

The level playing feild is that all for profit orginisations are charged the exact same fees and taxes.

If you think our tax money should be spent raising more taxes from us, at a cost to us far more then what is raised so people are forced to shop through you and you alone........

Wait, thats exactly your view.

Lmfao, cocksucker.

[Headbanger]

Though in reality I'm just spiteful because I cant afford any mint suspension....

[FROSTY:Me]

The level playing feild is that all for profit orginisations are charged the exact same fees and taxes.

If you think our tax money should be spent raising more taxes from us, at a cost to us far more then what is raised so people are forced to shop through you and you alone........

Wait, thats exactly your view.

Lmfao, cocksucker.

MY view. Everybody importing anything pays customs gst of 15% -Thats what I see as a level playing feild and means the gubbiment is able to spend money they do have

[Robert Taylor]

The level playing feild is that all for profit orginisations are charged the exact same fees and taxes.

If you think our tax money should be spent raising more taxes from us, at a cost to us far more then what is raised so people are forced to shop through you and you alone........

Wait, thats exactly your view.

Lmfao, cocksucker.

Again, you just dont get it and Im not going to lower the tone to the level you have decided upon. If you pay gst when buying off a NZ retailer then why should you also not pay gst for anything you privately import?. The Government misses out on gst that it would otherwise have accrued. And in reality its likely now missing out on a lot of gst.

This is an argument about a level playing field for everybody, get it EVERYBODY.

[Katman]

Lets exaggerate and say 50% of parts sales go overseas, just close 50% of the shops. Hell, take em both to 75%, that's still going to leave at least a couple in all the cities. There will always be a few bikes shops left providing the local service that are not available online, and catering to those who would rather buy local.

You've come out with some stupid shit in the past but that one takes the cake.

New thread - 'I had to travel 50 fucking kms to get to the nearest fucking bikeshop!!!'

'And it wasn't open on fucking Sunday!!!'

[Crasherfromwayback]

You've come out with some stupid shit in the past but that one takes the cake.

New thread - 'I had to travel 50 fucking kms to get to the nearest fucking bikeshop!!!'

Yeah quite why any real motorcyclist would want that to happen has me fucked too.

[bogan]

You've come out with some stupid shit in the past but that one takes the cake.

New thread - 'I had to travel 50 fucking kms to get to the nearest fucking bikeshop!!!'

'And it wasn't open on fucking Sunday!!!'

Must be different up your way, my favored shop is about 10 minutes (6k) away, and there's at least three others closer. I'm not saying they should close, just illustrating the fact that the 'oh no we're going to run out if many more close' opinion is pretty fucking far off the mark.

If the complaint is bikers aren't spending enough at a bike shop to keep them afloat, one solution is to have fewer bike shops.

Yeah quite why any real motorcyclist would want that to happen has me fucked too.

Well, if its a choice between inflated prices, or an extra 3 minutes ride to the bike shop, I'll take the later.

[Headbanger]

This is an argument about a level playing field for everybody, get it EVERYBODY.

Jesus fuck Rob, Look at the bigger picture, Pull the stick out of your arse and get over yourself.

People are not businesses and shouldn't be treated as such, The only way you could have a level playing field is if the circumstances were identical, and that would have to be dictated and regulated by the government, and fuck me, You might compete with other bussinesses, Lets Lock that down as well, Welcome to Russia.

The market forces are the consumers, If you can't meet their needs and expectations then they will shop with someone who will. You want to fuck some fuckers over?, Aim your shit at the fucks coming up with different price points for different regions of the globe. Its a rort, and they and their agents deserved to be fucked over.

[Katman]

last time i went into a bike shop in AKL the guy behind the counter was too busy texting someone to even lift his head to greet me.

This is the one area that I agree has good reason for grievance.

In the 30 years that I've been involved in motorcycling I've lost count of the number of bike salesmen that exude the attitude that their shit doesn't stink 'cos they work in a bikeshop - "I'll get to you if and when I can be fucked" sort of thing.

(On the other hand, there's a great number of bike salesmen that actually do understand that the customer is the cornerstone of their business).

If you want to put NZ motorcycle shops on the rack, just be certain of what your reasoning is.

The price that the poor prick at the end of the chain charges you for the part you so desperately want is not a valid reason.

[Headbanger]

You've come out with some stupid shit in the past but that one takes the cake.

New thread - 'I had to travel 50 fucking kms to get to the nearest fucking bikeshop!!!'

'And it wasn't open on fucking Sunday!!!'

20.2 km to my nearest bike shop.

And fuck me, they aren't open on a Sunday, any of them, And I even turned up on a Sunday expecting them to be open.

Shits cheap though, the range is huge, and the salespersons weren't total fucks.