Taranaki Toy Run crash

[Paul in NZ]

Details are emerging that a Nissan Skyline may have shunted the van into the traffic flow from behind and then done a runner.

If this is true then its pretty grim... I did wonder why the back of the van was mangled a bit but assumed it had spun about. I suppose there is a lesson here about NOT jumping to conclusions but the dead and injured remain solid facts and still require sympathy and caring...

I really hope this is not true as there will be one scared individual out there...

[Road kill]

This morning's Daily News says there is more involved than just the van and bikes.

Where did you read/hear that mate ?

Very sad an just getting worse

[oneofsix]

Where did you read/hear that mate ?

Very sad an just getting worse

It was a bit hard to find, I found it buried in this artical
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...r-roads-police

[Paul in NZ]

It was a bit hard to find, I found it buried in this artical
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...r-roads-police

Same thing - halfway down

[Movistar]

After seeing the remains of the van and the four motorcycles today, it's incredible there were not further fatalities.

As with any accident, resulting in injury and/or death, the effects spread far wider than the people directly involved.

More from this tragedy will emerge over the next few days. Rumours and speculation are running rife, but there is very thorough and detailed investigation taking place that will put these rumours to rest.

Unfortunately, road users will continue to make poor decisions at the expense of peoples lives.
We see it every day, and despite the efforts of bringing more manpower to our local roads, some drivers/riders don't seem to get it.

[Maha]

....a thorough and detailed investigation has already carried out within this thread though...

[Paul in NZ]

Unfortunately, road users will continue to make poor decisions at the expense of peoples lives.
We see it every day, and despite the efforts of bringing more manpower to our local roads, some drivers/riders don't seem to get it.

Thanks for the update - it seems like a real horror story...

I'm not 100% sure 'decisions' is the right word. Its more a lack of situational awareness and lack of anticipation that leads to any decision being taken out of the hands of the guilty party.. I see it every day I commute - you leave a gap you are comfortable with and whoosh 2 trucks, 3 sub compact and a mini van of paua poachers are all squeezed in... None of them has a hope of stopping in time if there is an issue in front of them and yet all are convinced they are driving safely.... (sorry - poor example I know)

[Movistar]

Thanks for the update - it seems like a real horror story...

I'm not 100% sure 'decisions' is the right word. Its more a lack of situational awareness and lack of anticipation that leads to any decision being taken out of the hands of the guilty party.. I see it every day I commute - you leave a gap you are comfortable with and whoosh 2 trucks, 3 sub compact and a mini van of paua poachers are all squeezed in... None of them has a hope of stopping in time if there is an issue in front of them and yet all are convinced they are driving safely.... (sorry - poor example I know)

I know what you're saying, but ultimately a 'decision' is made on what action to take - some people make good ones, others not so.

[Road kill]

Most of the comments on this site have been based on information received via news paper and online reporting.

That's why I said "heat of the moment" in an earlier post and why I haven't cast judgement on anybody involved.

Must be getting old I guess.

[oneofsix]

Now its the bridge's fault? That's a true KB overstatement but at least someone is looking at factors that can be improved rather than just blaming the humans.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...-bridge-review

I accept that ultimately a human or few will be at fault but they are the factor least able to be permanently changed and like with aviation improvement in will really only come from changing things that make it easier for the human to make the right call and prevent other families suffering such loss.

[MrKiwi]

Originally Posted by Road kill
Who are the NZ Motorcycle safety council ?,,,at last that's what I thought the guy called them/himself.

Heard this guy on the radio today "head of the NZMC safety council,,pointing out all his reasons it was pretty much the bikers own fault somebody ran them down because they were riding in a large group.

I have no idea who this cunt is but if he's on our side "we're fucked.

He's a KB member is he not?????

No one from the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council commented on the accident in Taranaki to the news media, I believe the comments were made by another person who promotes himself as a safety expert. We did post a short message on our MotoNZ main web page, that is all. We prefer not to comment in the heat of the moment.

As for myself, I was on a 5 day motorcycle trip with a group of friends. I caught up the news of the fatalities over the weekend while still on the road.

[Road kill]

Originally Posted by Road kill
Who are the NZ Motorcycle safety council ?,,,at last that's what I thought the guy called them/himself.

Heard this guy on the radio today "head of the NZMC safety council,,pointing out all his reasons it was pretty much the bikers own fault somebody ran them down because they were riding in a large group.

I have no idea who this cunt is but if he's on our side "we're fucked.







No one from the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council commented on the accident in Taranaki to the news media, I believe the comments were made by another person who promotes himself as a safety expert. We did post a short message on our MotoNZ main web page, that is all. We prefer not to comment in the heat of the moment.

As for myself, I was on a 5 day motorcycle trip with a group of friends. I caught up the news of the fatalities over the weekend while still on the road.

You guys should give yourself numbers so we know which expert is talking about us "this time"

[Madness]

You guys should give yourself numbers so we know which expert is talking about us "this time"

Like B1, B2 etc. maybe?

[duckonin]

Thanks for the update - it seems like a real horror story...
I see it every day I commute - you leave a gap you are comfortable with and whoosh 2 trucks, 3 sub compact and a mini van of paua poachers are all squeezed in... None of them has a hope of stopping in time if there is an issue in front of them and yet all are convinced they are driving safely.... (sorry - poor example I know)

No, I disagree with you Paul. All of those you quote know bloody well they are driving like pratts..'Road bullies'.

[Paul in NZ]

No, I disagree with you Paul. All of those you quote know bloody well they are driving like pratts..'Road bullies'.

I'm not so sure... Some people think its actually the proper way to behave but yes - there are a lot of 'Road Bullies' out there.... People that have no power over their real lives seem to think its OK to play god with other peoples lives...