Taranaki Toy Run crash

[rickstv]

Now its the bridge's fault? That's a true KB overstatement but at least someone is looking at factors that can be improved rather than just blaming the humans.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...-bridge-review

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I'm confused, how can it be the bridges fault when the bridge is a Km south of the accident?

Has the reported position of the accident been shifted?

Rick.

[oneofsix]

I'm confused, how can it be the bridges fault when the bridge is a Km south of the accident?

Has the reported position of the accident been shifted?

Rick.

That is why I posted it. The photos/maps I had seen of the area showed no bridge. Whilst I have been over the bridge a couple of times it is not an area I am familiar with and not trusting our media to get things anywhere near right nice to get some feed back from someone.

[nadroj]

Looking down the straight in the accident pics, the bridge is another 100+ metres around the corner at the end of that straight.
They are just using it to jump on the bandwagon & get some mileage towards getting the bridge & associated road diversion done earlier.

[monkeymcbean]

If you're gonna kill somebody in NZ do it on the roads.

It gives you the best shot for walking away with bugger all penalty.

Well it could have worked both ways then, plenty of up standing motorcyclists at the scene, who could tell the difference between a careless driver with a broken neck from a good wrenching, or a broken neck from the accident.

[MrKiwi]

You guys should give yourself numbers so we know which expert is talking about us "this time"

Who says we are experts? We're ordinary people with lots of experience who are prepared try and work to advance safer outcomes for motorcyclists. And who is 'us'? What makes you think we are any different to 'us'?

[Madness]

Who says we are experts? We're ordinary people with lots of experience who are prepared try and work to advance safer outcomes for motorcyclists. And who is 'us'? What makes you think we are any different to 'us'?

Do you do this work to advance safer outcomes for motorcyclists for the love of it, or is there remuneration involved?

[scumdog]

Well it could have worked both ways then, plenty of up standing motorcyclists at the scene, who could tell the difference between a careless driver with a broken neck from a good wrenching, or a broken neck from the accident.

Of course you would have got the correct person, the one that 'caused' the crash whose neck you would break...right?

[oneofsix]

Of course you would have got the correct person, the one that 'caused' the crash whose neck you would break...right?

"caused" or "at fault", different things and your job scummy seems to be manly around the "at fault".
The blue rinse that coincided her wave to her toy boy with the light going green would have "caused" the her being rear-ended because her attention wasn't on her primary task whereas the driver behind her had their attention on their driving and therefore the lights and saw a reaction from her so reacted as a driver to the lights but she wouldn't have been seen as "at fault" cause they "shouldn't" have reacted to the lights.


PS:
The driver behind her also double checked her, stopped in time and hit the horn, to which she reacted by confusing moving off with waving to her toy boy again and only half heartily succeeding at both.

[scumdog]

"caused" or "at fault", different things and your job scummy seems to be manly around the "at fault".

Oh, I'm 'manly' alright!

But I was commenting about a post that I suspect related to the fatal crash, i.e. break the neck of the driver that 'caused' the crash.
So far there has been at least two different drivers that 'caused' the crash - so who knows who actually 'caused it? whose neck would get broken?

And I do look at both cause and fault - although often they are one and the same.

[oneofsix]

Oh, I'm 'manly' alright!

But I was commenting about a post that I suspect related to the fatal crash, i.e. break the neck of the driver that 'caused' the crash.
So far there has been at least two different drivers that 'caused' the crash - so who knows who actually 'caused it? whose neck would get broken?

And I do look at both cause and fault - although often they are one and the same.

I've had my coffee now and have climbed off that hobby horse. :-) Most times they are one in the same, just occasionally the real cause has disappeared.
Straight after posting that I read the stuff article on the volunteer ambulance officer put in hospital for Xmas in the Waikato by a retard in a distinctive turquoise Ford Falcon that managed to stay out of the accident themselves but are being sort by the police, just to prove the cause even when not directly involved is sometimes hunted. A bit but one question I would have for her though is why didn't she let the drongo use the passing lane first and get him off her tail, what was her rush? Doesn't excuse the Falcon driver but sometimes it is best to let the idiots go and have their crash without you. which is leading to the other hobby horse of why wont car drivers stop trying to enforce their judgement on me

[trustme]

I've had my coffee now and have climbed off that hobby horse. :-) Most times they are one in the same, just occasionally the real cause has disappeared.
Straight after posting that I read the stuff article on the volunteer ambulance officer put in hospital for Xmas in the Waikato by a retard in a distinctive turquoise Ford Falcon that managed to stay out of the accident themselves but are being sort by the police, just to prove the cause even when not directly involved is sometimes hunted. A bit but one question I would have for her though is why didn't she let the drongo use the passing lane first and get him off her tail, what was her rush? Doesn't excuse the Falcon driver but sometimes it is best to let the idiots go and have their crash without you. which is leading to the other hobby horse of why wont car drivers stop trying to enforce their judgement on me

It's off topic but as I read it the Doris hit her brakes to get the Falcoon off her tail.
I have never never been able to understand people who do that , you inflame the situation, you try to cause an accident , you invite a reaction , you are almost as bad as the idiot behind you. Why can't Kiwis just pull left & let the idiot go

[FJRider]

Of course you would have got the correct person, the one that 'caused' the crash whose neck you would break...right?

There would have been a big queue to the van driver then ... eh ...

[PrincessBandit]

It's off topic but as I read it the Doris hit her brakes to get the Falcoon off her tail.
I have never never been able to understand people who do that , you inflame the situation, you try to cause an accident , you invite a reaction , you are almost as bad as the idiot behind you. Why can't Kiwis just pull left & let the idiot go

I have tapped my brakes before when a vehicle has been right inside my comfort zone (i.e. well and truly inside the following distance road rules). Why should I have to pull over when I'm traveling at legal road speed and someone is tail gating me? Tailgaters are road bullies who think they're exempt from road rules that others of us comply with. Lately though I just sit at the speed I'm moving at (if I'm having to travel at under the speed limit for some reason then I will move over to let them pass) and they can just be patient. What this comes down to is impatient wankers being able to throw their weight around on the road and do whatever they like. For those of you who would then jump down my throat for "holding my own on the road" rather than meekly allowing myself to be intimidated I don't give a rat's arse.

[oneofsix]

It's off topic but as I read it the Doris hit her brakes to get the Falcoon off her tail.
I have never never been able to understand people who do that , you inflame the situation, you try to cause an accident , you invite a reaction , you are almost as bad as the idiot behind you. Why can't Kiwis just pull left & let the idiot go

and there is that other hobby horse. Actually had a nice fellow in a blue ute pull left for me in the extreme this morning, half a lane even

[Road kill]

Who says we are experts? We're ordinary people with lots of experience who are prepared try and work to advance safer outcomes for motorcyclists. And who is 'us'? What makes you think we are any different to 'us'?

Not me mate,,,,,as far as I'm concerned you lot are just "yet another" group of self important prats most people simply aren't interested in knowing.

So what's your number ?,,I lost count of your type a long time ago.