Taranaki Toy Run crash

[MSTRS:Me]

If you're gonna kill somebody in NZ do it on the roads.

It gives you the best shot for walking away with bugger all penalty.

Exactly my point above. It's time the charge was altered to murder for this sort of thing.

[James Deuce]

Is video helpful in these cases? Next defensive manoeover here is cheap vid cameras front & back so can defend the next asshat that tries it on & save my $2k excess...

It's at this point that Eric Arthur Blair says, "Fuck it, why did I even bother to warn them?"

[scumdog]

It's at this point that Eric Arthur Blair says, "Fuck it, why did I even bother to warn them?"

Meh, it's been happening throughout the ages...look at the night watchmen from days gone by, trying to keep us safe to some, narks so the govt can 'control' us to others...

1984 went past and jack shit happened.

[James Deuce]

Meh, it's been happening throughout the ages...look at the night watchmen from days gone by, trying to keep us safe to some, narks so the govt can 'control' us to others...

1984 went past and jack shit happened.

Plenty of nightwatchmen "got theirs".

It's not our job to "help" the Government in any way. It's our job to make sure that we behave in a way that means we have as little to do with it as possible and it with us. Actively running covert surveillance on other people without any need to do so is either sick voyeurism or delusional vigilante behaviour.

[blue rider]

If you're gonna kill somebody in NZ do it on the roads.

It gives you the best shot for walking away with bugger all penalty.

And where is the police demanding that the laws are enforced and punished appropriately?

When will I read a communique from a police spokesmen/women demanding that the NZ legislature does something about people blatantly disregarding the rode code and endangering other users?

If anyone should be informed enough to speak up it should be the police. How come I here nothing about sensible sentencing in situations like these, or where is the police for that matter when it comes to establishing road rules, speed limits etc.
Is the police as an official body not allowed to speak up, or maybe there is no interest in speaking up.

I know speed kills, but obviously overtaking at an intersections does too.

[scumdog]

And where is the police demanding that the laws are enforced and punished appropriately?

When will I read a communique from a police spokesmen/women demanding that the NZ legislature does something about people blatantly disregarding the rode code and endangering other users?

If anyone should be informed enough to speak up it should be the police. How come I here nothing about sensible sentencing in situations like these, or where is the police for that matter when it comes to establishing road rules, speed limits etc.
Is the police as an official body not allowed to speak up, or maybe there is no interest in speaking up.

I know speed kills, but obviously overtaking at an intersections does too.

Police-police-police-police.

Yep, once again all their fault.

Wa-wa-wa-wa....

[FJRider]

I know speed kills, but obviously overtaking at an intersections does too.

Only two factors in the accident.

Add ...

1. A large group of motorcycles on that road.
2. Most of those motorcycles traveling at/near the (open road) posted speed limit.
3. A number of vehicles waiting (On a right hand corner) to turn right over the intended path of those motorcycles approaching. (read ... extended wait for them to pass by)
4. The motorcycles were traveling close together.

That last four ... all the motorcyclists approaching that corner would have been aware of ... if they were looking. All four factors that should ring alarm bells in a bikers head.

But hey ... they were in the right ... what was there for them to worry about ???

Causing a crash is not the end of the blame trail ... and current legislation is enough to have proven guilty persons charged.

Not causing an accident does not mean blameless ...

[blue rider]

Police-police-police-police.

Yep, once again all their fault.

Wa-wa-wa-wa....

Awesome answer.


Nowhere have I said that a copper is at fault, I have asked where the police spokesperson is that will ask for tougher sentencing in cases of preventable death such as these death yesterday.

here have a tissue...

[Maha]

Wa-wa-wa-wa....

That even sounds like a cop car....

[FJRider]

I know speed kills, but obviously overtaking at an intersections does too.

The latest report states the van was NOT overtaking as earlier reported.

[Subike]

I placed this in another thread, it has been suggested I shift it here.


Complacency . Some drivers will constantly flout the law, and for months even years they get away with making the same mistake
without an incident, close call, or anyone calling them on it. It become one of those things they do without considering the potential it has for dire results. Be it overtaking on a blind corner, cutting across a corner, overtaking stopped vehicles, not slowing down at the right times, the list can be huge. But there in lies the problem . The driver ( riders do this too) do it that often that when an incident happens, they do not see they were the cause until it is pointed out to them. What was in this Van drivers mind we will never know.What ever it was, I tend to think this was a residitive move that had never previously caused him any problem.
Now here is where the over all road problem could be, with the police concentrating upon the speed limit, drivers trying to get places at the limit, risks are taken at the speed limit, situations arrive where speed is not the problem, but bad driving habits developed trying to be fast inside the limit. The cutting corners, overtaking in dangerous places, failure to stop properly at intersections, again the list is huge, drivers get complacent, risks are take under the speed limit, and deaths occur.
This to me, was a driver taking those risks he had been happy taking for a long time. Sadly this was the once it bit him, and we lost people.l

[mashman]

R.I.P to the riders and condolences to the family and friends.

[FJRider]

Nowhere have I said that a copper is at fault, I have asked where the police spokesperson is that will ask for tougher sentencing in cases of preventable death such as these death yesterday.

It is yet to be stated officially WHO was thought to be at fault/charged. And then be proven guilty in a court of law.

No word yet of the van driver being charged ...

[blue rider]

The latest report states the van was NOT overtaking as earlier reported.

Good. As i said earlier, i could not get my head around such a senseless action.

It makes the happenings no better, but at least it does not seem willfully irresponsible.

[FJRider]

Good. As i said earlier, i could not get my head around such a senseless action.

It makes the happenings no better, but at least it does not seem willfully irresponsible.

The result is the same.

Next question ... what did happen for those vehicles to collide.

Statements in some posts of this thread ... were based on what was (incorrectly) reported.