Taranaki Toy Run crash

[george formby]

What a terrible weekend. 5 riders down

I'm a bit stunned, it's not like their are millions of us out there.

[Paul in NZ]

What a terrible weekend. 5 riders down

I'm a bit stunned, it's not like their are millions of us out there.

At that rate there won't be.... Yes - very sad and a bad time for motorcyclists...

[Genestho]

Well my first reaction was pretty typical. Shoot the bastard etc etc… But the reality is that people die on the roads and sometimes you get multiple fatalities in a single accident. Its not that unusual but its more unusual for two motorcyclists to be killed and the have been too many incidents lately.

Yes – there is virtually no doubt (from the reports) that the van driver was a bit over excited. He fucked up big time and people died. Not to excuse his behavior in any way but I’m sure he didn’t wake up that morning and decide to go and kill some motorcyclists… Its not like getting a bit over excited and screwing things up on the road isn’t familiar to bikers either… Despite us being vulnerable users I don’t think we can take the high moral ground despite the obvious temptation.

Like it or not we have to face that fact that there is a price to pay for our freedom to roam and unfortunately that price is not one that’s spread out evenly over all the users. Surely as a motorcyclist its understood that the risk is higher for us? It doesnt make this any easier to swallow but thats the way it is...

This is a terrible terrible thing and the hurt and pains going to go on a lot longer for the survivors and the victims’ families that any anger and bile on KB. The ONLY thing we can do is assist these victims if we can, do our best to keep our selves safe and hope that we are never in this circumstance ourselves.

Other than that I’m buggered if I know what practical steps can be undertaken…

Well said Mr, and I can't bling you again. You've been very wise

First and foremost - Support the families, that means even after the funerals.

Be practical, offer practical help, be a friend, listen to them and hug them.

RIP, thoughts go out to all involved.

[SPman]

Other than that I’m buggered if I know what practical steps can be undertaken…

This is KB...rant, rave, accuse the driver, the police, the government, little blue people from Epsilon7........

The answer lies somewhere between ourselves and a dollop of random chance.....ourselves....well, that is one thing, the random chance factor is not something so easily contained.....

[Maha]

This is KB...rant, rave, accuse the driver, the police, the government, little blue people from Epsilon7........

The answer lies somewhere between ourselves and a dollop of random chance.....ourselves....well, that is one thing, the random chance factor is not something so easily contained.....

Agreed John, and how many times have we seen/read similar threads evolve into your 'averse descrption' over the years?

[caspernz]

This is KB...rant, rave, accuse the driver, the police, the government, little blue people from Epsilon7........

The answer lies somewhere between ourselves and a dollop of random chance.....ourselves....well, that is one thing, the random chance factor is not something so easily contained.....

Well, plenty of valid points on this thread. Now I don't wanna sound like Katman, but to me the random thing can be minimised by being a practised rider, employing sound group ride etiquette (yeah right) and spreading out a bit and making your decisions based on your own observations as opposed to the rider in front...oh hang on, that's why I don't do group rides anymore

RIP to all the unfortunate riders over the weekend.

[James Deuce]

Hey boristhepussybiter - debate in public you coward.

[James Deuce]

Well said Mr, and I can't bling you again. You've been very wise

First and foremost - Support the families, that means even after the funerals.

Be practical, offer practical help, be a friend, listen to them and hug them.

RIP, thoughts go out to all involved.

You know what? Out of all the people on KB, you and Paul and Deano (also RantyDave but he's not here anymore) would be just about the only people who understand and do that.

[scumdog]

Well my first reaction was pretty typical. Shoot the bastard etc etc… But the reality is that people die on the roads and sometimes you get multiple fatalities in a single accident. Its not that unusual but its more unusual for two motorcyclists to be killed and the have been too many incidents lately.

Yes – there is virtually no doubt (from the reports) that the van driver was a bit over excited. He fucked up big time and people died. Not to excuse his behavior in any way but I’m sure he didn’t wake up that morning and decide to go and kill some motorcyclists… Its not like getting a bit over excited and screwing things up on the road isn’t familiar to bikers either… Despite us being vulnerable users I don’t think we can take the high moral ground despite the obvious temptation.

Like it or not we have to face that fact that there is a price to pay for our freedom to roam and unfortunately that price is not one that’s spread out evenly over all the users. Surely as a motorcyclist its understood that the risk is higher for us? It doesnt make this any easier to swallow but thats the way it is...


This is a terrible terrible thing and the hurt and pains going to go on a lot longer for the survivors and the victims’ families that any anger and bile on KB. The ONLY thing we can do is assist these victims if we can, do our best to keep our selves safe and hope that we are never in this circumstance ourselves.

Other than that I’m buggered if I know what practical steps can be undertaken…

100% in agreement Paul, I couldn't have said it so elequently

[gunnyrob]

"Other than that I’m buggered if I know what practical steps can be undertaken…"


Condolances to family & friends, it's an absolute tragedy and my thoughts are with you. 5 Bikers down in one weekend is absolutely heart breaking.

As to practical steps:
* Wear proper protective gear (even if it's hot)
* Make yourself easy to see. (wear bright/contrasting gear)
* Be super paranoid about people who "Look but don't see" at intersections or people driving erratically
* Ride to the conditions
* Enhance your skills through training

Encourage all around you to ride safely, take care out there.......

[BoristheBiter]

Hey boristhepussybiter - debate in public you coward.

Why? I think you're wrong so I reped you accordingly.

If you don't like people disagreeing with don't post.

[YellowDog]

Yes I also agree with Paul, however one small point I would make over the danger of motorcycles is:

Over my many years of riding motorcycles, on more than one occasion I would have been screwed if I was in a car and only managed to save myself because I was on a smaller vehicle with lots of power.

I realise that the balance is around 2% to 98% against being better off on a motorcycle AND of those incidents, I avoided a crash rather than potential death, but .........................................

[nadroj]

Details are emerging that a Nissan Skyline may have shunted the van into the traffic flow from behind and then done a runner.

[oneofsix]

"Other than that I’m buggered if I know what practical steps can be undertaken…"


Condolances to family & friends, it's an absolute tragedy and my thoughts are with you. 5 Bikers down in one weekend is absolutely heart breaking.

As to practical steps:
* Wear proper protective gear (even if it's hot)
* Make yourself easy to see. (wear bright/contrasting gear)
* Be super paranoid about people who "Look but don't see" at intersections or people driving erratically
* Ride to the conditions
* Enhance your skills through training

Encourage all around you to ride safely, take care out there.......

Nice practical steps regurgitation but all fucking not relative to the case in question. "Make yourself easy to see" There was a fucking big group of them dominating the scene, as for looking but not seeing now about can't miss as they fill the road.
forgot KB, don't let facts get in the way of a good rant. Thanks, I've had my turn now.

[young1]

Details are emerging that a Nissan Skyline may have shunted the van into the traffic flow from behind and then done a runner.

This morning's Daily News says there is more involved than just the van and bikes.