04 road toll

[marty]

good to see it's still coming down, contrary to the efforts and support of a few.....

"At 3pm today the road toll for 2004 was 435, compared with a total 461 for 2003"


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/waikato...9a6412,00.html

[Lou Girardin]

good to see it's still coming down, contrary to the efforts and support of a few.....

"At 3pm today the road toll for 2004 was 435, compared with a total 461 for 2003"


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/waikato...9a6412,00.html

That's not a very good comparison. 2003's toll was the highest for several years. In '99 they said all this persecution of drivers would result in a toll under 300. What happened?
Is it time for Plan B?
Do they have a Plan B?
Stalker radars in taxis?

[6Chris6]

Do they have a Plan B?
Stalker radars in taxis?

Being able to drive before getting a Taxi licence would be a nice start

[magnum]

and read a map,and speak english

[NC]

Man I hate taxi drivers

[jimbo600]

I'm not so sure that the LTSA stats prove anything. The Fatal road crashes in New Zealand 1997 - 2003 chart fluctuates too much to discern any real trend. What is obvious is that 2003 was a particularly bad year for road deaths despite the speed, seatbelts etc campaign. However I am vexed as to why people still drive around without wearing a seatbelt. I would really like to see more efforts put into driver training and better policing of foreign license holders. God known how many times I have seen car drivers on my side of the road when they cut corners. The biggest problem on the roads is folk going 80 in a 100 and not letting people get by. The result is a convoy of impatient angry cage drivers who then take crazy risks trying to pass.

[Blakamin]

The biggest problem on the roads is folk going 80 in a 100 and not letting people get by. The result is a convoy of impatient angry cage drivers who then take crazy risks trying to pass.

grrr.... or 60 from pukerua to waikanae... cept in the passing lane at raumati straight where they do 120..... BASTARDS!!!!

[Ghost Lemur]

I'm not so sure that the LTSA stats prove anything. The Fatal road crashes in New Zealand 1997 - 2003 chart fluctuates too much to discern any real trend. What is obvious is that 2003 was a particularly bad year for road deaths despite the speed, seatbelts etc campaign. However I am vexed as to why people still drive around without wearing a seatbelt. I would really like to see more efforts put into driver training and better policing of foreign license holders. God known how many times I have seen car drivers on my side of the road when they cut corners. The biggest problem on the roads is folk going 80 in a 100 and not letting people get by. The result is a convoy of impatient angry cage drivers who then take crazy risks trying to pass.

Couldn't agree more Jimbo.

The sooner Kiwi's and foriegners alike realise that driving is a privilege and not a right, the sooner they may start taking adaquate precautions (use common sense).

[What?]

Couldn't agree more Jimbo.

The sooner Kiwi's and foriegners alike realise that driving is a privilege and not a right, the sooner they may start taking adaquate precautions (use common sense).

Don't hold your breath - I expect the world will run out of oil first.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

good to see it's still coming down, contrary to the efforts and support of a few.....

"At 3pm today the road toll for 2004 was 435, compared with a total 461 for 2003"


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/waikato...9a6412,00.html

I am going to stick my neck out here and I have taken the pain killers to stop the pain when you all chop my head off, but what would the toll be without the enforcement we have and the education programs in place? We all bag other drivers but we all make mistakes. I have driven my cage in traffic in the last few days and it is so frustrating. I will only ride the bike by choice. Lets be a bit more patient out there.

[Jackrat]

I am going to stick my neck out here and I have taken the pain killers to stop the pain when you all chop my head off, but what would the toll be without the enforcement we have and the education programs in place? We all bag other drivers but we all make mistakes. I have driven my cage in traffic in the last few days and it is so frustrating. I will only ride the bike by choice. Lets be a bit more patient out there.

Totaly agree so put the pain killers away.
The other thing is that less people are dead during a certain time frame,so who cares why,how or anything else.
I don't think it's anything to be trying to score points over,it's just a bloody good thing to be alive.

[spudchucka]

That's not a very good comparison. 2003's toll was the highest for several years. In '99 they said all this persecution of drivers would result in a toll under 300. What happened?

They forgot that they can't legislate against stupidity.

Happy 2005 Lou.

By the way in 2003 the toll was 461. This was up from the low of 404 in 2002. The previous years were as follows:

2001 - 453
2000 - 462
1999 - 508
1998 - 501
1997 - 539

2003 had the highest road toll in three years, still a huge improvement from 1997, or for that matter the 1980's when we were killing around 700 every year.

Who was policing the roads in the 80's? Oh, thats right it was the Ministry of Transport. The organisation who, according to some were soooo much better at road policing than todays police but under whose management the road toll was 200 - 300 more anually than it is now.

[scumdog]

I am going to stick my neck out here and I have taken the pain killers to stop the pain when you all chop my head off, but what would the toll be without the enforcement we have and the education programs in place? We all bag other drivers but we all make mistakes. I have driven my cage in traffic in the last few days and it is so frustrating. I will only ride the bike by choice. Lets be a bit more patient out there.

Damn right! It's a point often missed by the nay-sayers.

However stupidity is so hard to detect BEFORE it happens but I'm sure the 'stupidometer' is not far away!

BTW Workmate had to take evasive action when he was almost cleaned up in a work car by a driver who crossed to his side of the road 'cos he was focussed on the ice-cream he was eating! Needless to say the day went downhill for him from then on, the melting ice-cream was the least of his problems!

[loosebruce]

However stupidity is so hard to detect BEFORE it happens but I'm sure the 'stupidometer' is not far away!

Maybe whoever is designing this stupidometer would like some guenia (sp) pigs for testing, maybe we could loan a couple from this site, one that pops to mind - our wee buddy mikey

[What?]

They forgot that they can't legislate against stupidity....

...Who was policing the roads in the 80's? Oh, thats right it was the Ministry of Transport. The organisation who, according to some were soooo much better at road policing than todays police but under whose management the road toll was 200 - 300 more anually than it is now.

But it's not that simple, is it? 20 years ago there were no air bags, no ABS systems, tyres and suspension weren't as good etc etc blah blah blah. Not to mention attitudes to drink driving, seatblets (esp. rear seats) being quite a bit different to today's.
The only constant over the years is stupidity.