The new iTunes

[Headbanger]

We swapped onto another computer recently and didn't lose all our songs in iTunes.
I guess we followed the onscreen prompts.

You feel the need to point out that you managed a simple operation without getting fucked over by apple?

[bogan]

how many levels of backup are acceptable to get around apples douchbaggery?

wait, it doesn't matter, the same process would have happened as soon as he tried to hook into any device that wasn't his missing laptop..

Your point fails. Why the hell would anyone want their audio files wrapped in apples layers of shit, there is no single benifit of doing so.

Next.

They were protecting the copyright of the music, I'm not sure that fits the douchbaggery label. Backup between two easily stealable devices is not enough levels, the real douchbags would love to steal both of them.

I realise protecting music from being copied in such a way is considered overkill by most. But at the time cloud computing wasn't mainstream, and neither was online music shops. The later may well have meant they had to implement overkill copy protection to set up the itunes store.

Funny thing is though, the thread title clearly state the new itunes, so banging on about their past failing is like despising windows 7 because 3.1 didn't have bluetooth.

[Headbanger]

They were protecting the copyright of the music, I'm not sure that fits the douchbaggery label.

Yeah, Your still suffering the same level of fail as before.

The point is that you are needlessly handing control of your files, on your hardware, to apple, and its now subject to whatever choices they make, not you.

Itunes has never been about making a good product or the end user, its always been about locking the content into apple devices, and the customers money into apple revenue streams.

And by doing so the use an incredible amount of resources to do something the os does natively, and cripple the most basic and worthwhile file handling systems.

And to top it off they install shittime, updaters, network services, start up items and all manner of other shit spread all over and into the OS that lowers the end users experience and which doesn't get removed via the uninstall process.

What the fuck are they and their fans smoking?

Program is and always has been pointless and utter shit. Even when the end user doesn't understand they have been fucked over.

[Kendog]

You feel the need to point out that you managed a simple operation without getting fucked over by apple?

You make me laugh.

[bogan]

Yeah, Your still suffering the same level of fail as before.

The point is that you are needlessly handing control of your files, on your hardware, to apple, and its now subject to whatever choices they make, not you.

Itunes has never been about making a good product or the end user, its always been about locking the content into apple devices, and the customers money into apple revenue streams.

And by doing so the use an incredible amount of resources to do something the os does natively, and cripple the most basic and worthwhile file handling systems.

And to top it off they install shittime, updaters, network services, start up and all manner of other shit that lowers the end users experience and which doesn't get removed via the uninstall process..

What the fuck are they and their fans smoking?

Program is and always has been pointless and utter shit. Even when the end user doesn't understand they have been fucked over.

I'll educate you a bit, as you still seem to be way back at itunes 5 or similar.

It organises all your audio files (in whatever format they were in, or that you choose) into any folder you specify on your computer. If you do not want it to organise the files you just untick a box, I think it asks you during the instal too. You can still copy the files to other device through windows explorer, or play them using a different program.

I've been on the same ipod for around 7 years now, some would consider that good value for money, and have bought albums through itunes cheaper than anywhere else, but more importantly, itunes actually caters to my apparently not popular in NZ music tastes. And if you're a pirater, you can do that and use those files in itunes too.

On older comps it does use lots of resources, but so do a lot of programs these days, thats why they make new comps.

Quicktime is gone from the installer now, startup services help it start up quicker, which as a music program I like it to start quickly. again, fuck all overhead for me cos I have comps less than 5 years old.

Its the audio player with the best user interface I've used, makes it easy and fast to find files, nice visuals with the album artworks etc, now a very nice 'playing next' playlist you can simply customise what songs are coming up.

If you want something hard to steal, with very very low computing overheads, but a somewhat slow and cumbersome user interface, they used to put music on these round discy things...

Edit, and all this without even mentioning (until now) the benefits of cloud music storage, which is arguably the best theft/fire etc loss prevention method.

[Headbanger]

I'll educate you a bit, .

Well, no, You failed miserably, The philosohy and nature of the program is as it always been, The fact they tweak it from time to time doesn't make the fact you "like the interface" an honest appraisal of its level or depth of shitiness.

Futhermore the reference to resources isn't in relation to hardware capability, But how many resources the app is using on any system to do fuck all of nothing apart from be a wanker.

That said, those silver spinning things are far better quality and value for money (even though they too are a massive rort) then the shit apple are selling you, how the fuck does that make you clever?

You buy something worse therefor mock that which is a better format?

oh right, its apple.

Im going to spin some vinyl.

Play it through my amp thats two decades old.

Powering a set of speakers that are nearly as tall as I am.

Fuck any shitty pathetic 7 year old ipod.

People need to know what they are buying into.

Fuck itunes, fuck it up the arse.


I have spoken.

[bogan]

Well, no, You failed miserably

Well, figured I would give it a shot. As I've said for many years now, the biggest impediment to learning is often the ego... funny how that can even get in the way of such simple things like software evaluation and selection. As I've also said for a while, the apple haters are often just a clueless as the apple fanboys.
You've proven me right twice in one evening, now that I have achieved my lofty goal for the day—of being correct on the internet—I can retire until the morrow.

[Headbanger]

I didn't expect for a second that I'd change your view on a software suite that is to your liking, But I hope at the very least that people are slightly more informed about the nature of itunes.

As it is all files are cataloged, ordered and displayed by the OS to the users choosing, and can be played directly from their location in any media player, or you can have all the files referenced within any number of media players and linked to playlists of multiple formats, all without locking your media into Apple, all without having your ability to handle your media controlled by apple, all without unwanted and undesirable network services being installed and running in the background.

I find it hard to accept that anyone of intelligence would actively recommend itunes to anyone, (Apple twats obviously excluded, But their ego gets in the way and is directly manipulated by wanker marketing, delusion and bullshit)

[SMOKEU]

If people are too fucking retarded to copy and paste data to/from their computer/MP3 player, then they have no business using those devices in the first place. Trust iSheep to come up with the most complicated solution for the simplest tasks. Bloatware for the sake of it.

[bogan]

I didn't expect for a second that I'd change your view on a software suite that is to your liking, But I hope at the very least that people are slightly more informed about the nature of itunes.

As it is all files are cataloged, ordered and displayed by the OS to the users choosing, and can be played directly from their location in any media player, or you can have all the files referenced within any number of media players and linked to playlists of multiple formats, all without locking your media into Apple, all without having your ability to handle your media controlled by apple, all without unwanted and undesirable network services being installed and running in the background.

I find it hard to accept that anyone of intelligence would actively recommend itunes to anyone, (Apple twats obviously excluded, But their ego gets in the way and is directly manipulated by wanker marketing, delusion and bullshit)

How do you mean locking your media into apple? those days are done, sure the songs are downloaded in m4a format when an album is purchased, but they are useable by the other programs and can be referenced in any number of media players from the location apple puts them in.
And a lot of OS categorised stuff which is to the users choosing is a mess, with albums in the same folder as artists, in the same folder as individual songs; obviously a user fault, but one that itunes fixes easily provided the tags are present.

It seems you really only have two arguments, you don't like apple (which is actually just an opinion, not an argument), and that it uses system resources. Currently I have iTuneshelper, which is the startup helper, using 4meg of ram (0.03%) and 0% CPU. Now I started it up (in about 1 second, thanks itunes helper) the main process is using 61meg of ram (0.4%) and still 0% CPU. Interestingly, vlc is using 1% CPU and 17meg of ram (0.1%) to do the same task, it did shave about half a second off the startup time though. To put those numbers in perspective, the only time I'd want to free up those resources is during a benchmark test (and I still wouldn't bother stopping the startup service), and as the clocks are down to idle speed it won't be wasting power or causing component wear.

So yeh, it has the best UI, and no real-world downsides, it'd be stupid not to recomend it. Of course not everybody uses a media player the same way I do so its worth seeing if it has the device compatibility etc for what others want, just like choosing other things these days.

[bogan]

If people are too fucking retarded to copy and paste data to/from their computer/MP3 player, then they have no business using those devices in the first place. Trust iSheep to come up with the most complicated solution for the simplest tasks. Bloatware for the sake of it.

Hmmm, so plug in and walk away is now more complicated than plug-in, browse folders, copy files, make sure you're not making duplicates, walk away?

See my above post for the bloatwear issue...

[SMOKEU]

Hmmm, so plug in and walk away is now more complicated than plug-in, browse folders, copy files, make sure you're not making duplicates, walk away?

Pretty much. I just hold down ctrl, highlight which folders I want on my computer, hit ctrl + c and then ctrl + v to put them on the device. If someone is smart enough to post on an online forum, they're smart enough to copy and paste. Really, how hard is it?

I like to keep things simple as complicated shit is too trippy.

[bogan]

Pretty much. I just hold down ctrl, highlight which folders I want on my computer, hit ctrl + c and then ctrl + v to put them on the device. If someone is smart enough to post on an online forum, they're smart enough to copy and paste. Really, how hard is it?

I like to keep things simple as complicated shit is too trippy.

Of course it's simple, so why bother wasting time on it? It's much quicker and easier (you don't have to remember which albums are copied and which are not yet) to automate the process with iTunes. With all the hardware and software around to makes things easier and faster, I just don't see why you would want to do it the slow way?

[Scuba_Steve]

I didn't expect for a second that I'd change your view on a software suite that is to your liking, But I hope at the very least that people are slightly more informed about the nature of itunes.

I hope you don't think you're the one doing the informing??? Bogans at least pushing out some facts, all you're pushing is blind hatred and ignorance.

[Headbanger]

I hope you don't think you're the one doing the informing??? Bogans at least pushing out some facts, all you're pushing is blind hatred and ignorance.

Take from it what you will, there is no trace of hatred in my posts.

Apple fans can't see the program for what it is, They never have.

Carry on.