The new iTunes

[Headbanger]

How do you mean locking your media into apple? those days are done,

Yeah, That ipod getting wiped due to license restrictions on non-apple sourced media was about 5 weeks ago.

[bogan]

Take from it what you will, there is no trace of hatred in my posts.

Apple fans can't see the program for what it is, They never have.

Carry on.

There's little trace of facts either, might be why you're having such difficulty explaining what is wrong with the program without resorting to the 'apple is shit' opinions.

Yeah, That ipod getting wiped due to license restrictions on non-apple sourced media was about 5 weeks ago.

Thats not actually license restriction, its the way the ipod was setup to sync with one computer automatically, and the user ignoring warning messages when it synced to a new (presumably empty) computer. It actually has nothing to do with your claims of itunes locking media into apple, especially considering even that feature is easily turned off and prompted about on setup.

Got any facts yet? while I could probably do this all day—using the time I've already saved due to my superior software choice for media organisation and portable device management—there might be more productive endeavors that should be given a higher priority...

[Headbanger]

There's little trace of facts either, might be why you're having such difficulty explaining what is wrong with the program without resorting to the 'apple is shit' opinions.



Thats not actually license restriction, its the way the ipod was setup to sync with one computer automatically, and the user ignoring warning messages when it synced to a new (presumably empty) computer. It actually has nothing to do with your claims of itunes locking media into apple, especially considering even that feature is easily turned off and prompted about on setup.

Got any facts yet? while I could probably do this all day—using the time I've already saved due to my superior software choice for media organisation and portable device management—there might be more productive endeavors that should be given a higher priority...

What that is, is a negative user experience, bought on by poor design and the apple mentality. pray tell what the options are in the event of losing access to the initial pc?

Now, Im not about to infect my pc with itunes just to see what backgound items and network services it installs against my wishes (and I wouldn't recommend anyone does s0), in order to have a bloated wanky interface laid get between me and my music files that insists on running just to make access to a portable device easier by crippling copy/paste.


oh wait, thats its good points.

[bogan]

What that is, is a negative user experience, bought on by poor design and the apple mentality. pray tell what the options are in the event of losing access to the initial pc?

Well the obvious point is that you should back-up to something less stealable anyway. There are workarounds to get the music back off the device as well, not as easy as it should be, but it can be done. Also, if you've paid for the songs through iTunes store, they are linked to your account so you just download them again.

Now, Im not about to infect my pc with itunes just to see what backgound items and network services it installs against my wishes (and I wouldn't recommend anyone does s0), in order to have a bloated wanky interface laid get between me and my music files that insists on running just to make access to a portable device easier by crippling copy/paste.

But you'll happily spread the word that those background services use up enough resources to.. um, do what exaclty? why should you care if it takes a tiny portion of RAM or CPU? It's there for the using.

oh wait, thats its good points.

Exactly, some people like that stuff, so again your arguments just boil down to the opinionated rubbish attempted to be passed off as fact. You seem to be making a habit of this...

[Scuba_Steve]

What that is, is a negative user experience, bought on by poor design and the apple mentality. pray tell what the options are in the event of losing access to the initial pc?

Now, Im not about to infect my pc with itunes just to see what backgound items and network services it installs against my wishes (and I wouldn't recommend anyone does s0), in order to have a bloated wanky interface laid get between me and my music files that insists on running just to make access to a portable device easier by crippling copy/paste.


oh wait, thats its good points.

well in loss of initial PC if they're hell bent on keeping auto sync enabled, their option is to re-rip their CD's to iTunes & re-download any brought from the iTunes store, then everything is returned to previous state no harm no fowl.
If by "poor design" you mean it's not pirate friendly then yes, Apple don't really have any interest in assisting pirates, incase you haven't noticed they run a store which makes them money it's not in their interest to cannibalise their own profit is it? Just like any company. But even so re-pirate the songs just like before & everything goes back to as it was

And as you've proved you're just like a fanboy running on emotional rant with no real facts as you've admitted you don't even run it, but hey you've probably read fanboy/antiboy rants on the interwebs so you must be an expert right

[Headbanger]

Cool, took you guys far too long to write your reply's btw, I haven't got all day....I can't say it was worth the wait.

That aside, against my better judgement I installed it. granted its not quite as ugly as past versions

During setup mdnsesponder otherwise known as bonjour installed and accessed my connection,nice
Apple mobile device installed and accessed my connections
Itunes helped done the same.
and finally itunes itself, which immediately tried to access my connection.

Under services we now have

Bonjour
mobile device
ipod service

Startup items

apsdaemon
itunes helper.



None of which are desirable to have running, and no doubt turning them off cripples itunes, for no reason except apple wants them running.

[bogan]

None of which are desirable to have running

Why not?






Was I quick enough that time?

[Headbanger]

Why not?

Was I quick enough that time?

Because none of them notified the user of what they were doing or what their purpose is, None of them are required for the operation of the program, and multiple items in startup/services can lead to poor performance and an unstable OS,causing a...wait for it,negative user experience.

[Gremlin]

Because none of them notified the user of what they were doing or what their purpose is, None of them are required for the operation of the program, and multiple items in startup/services can lead to poor performance and an unstable OS,causing a...wait for it,negative user experience.

Clearly you aren't "quite" the target market for Apple. You're meant to shut up, (unless saying they're awesome) and be happy it works.

Just wait till Apple thinks you should have Quicktime too. Of course, Apple knows what's best for you.

[Headbanger]

Clearly you aren't "quite" the target market for Apple. You're meant to shut up, (unless saying they're awesome) and be happy it works.

Just wait till Apple thinks you should have Quicktime too. Of course, Apple knows what's best for you.

On a positive note, Apple now have a marketing portal on my pc and direct communication with my system, and I can playback media files in an otherwise pointless media player.

How did I ever get along without this before?

I supose I can load some media on my iphone while I have itunes installed (seeing as that uber device is incapable of copy/paste) and give it to the kids as a toy.

Pity I didnt image the system before infecting it, God knows what will be left behind by the apple uninstaller.

[Scuba_Steve]

Because none of them notified the user of what they were doing or what their purpose is, None of them are required the operation of the program, and multiple items in startup/services can lead to poor performance and an unstable OS,causing a...wait for it,negative user experience.

Yea because it's so common for all software vendors to name & explain every service installed with their software
Did you complain this much when Windows installed notepad, windows update, windows firewall, IE, Outlook, task manager etc all without your permission??? Or was that alright because they weren't Apple???

[bogan]

Because none of them notified the user of what they were doing or what their purpose is, None of them are required for the operation of the program, and multiple items in startup/services can lead to poor performance and an unstable OS,causing a...wait for it,negative user experience.

How much of the EULA did you read? If you're so pedantic as to care what all the services are about you might want to read that in its entirety.
95% of users won't care what the individual services are for, a legit program installed them and if the developer thought them necessary thats good enough for me (and the 95%).

A poor startup/services configuration can lead to poor performance, the chances of the few iTunes ones doing so on anything but an ancient computer seem very unlikey, and even then it will be a straw that broke the camels back situation.

[Headbanger]

Yea because it's so common for all software vendors to name & explain every service installed with their software
Did you complain this much when Windows installed notepad, windows update, windows firewall, IE, Outlook, task manager etc all without your permission??? Or was that alright because they weren't Apple???

Yeah, we were talking about itunes, remember?

For the record I disagree with any additional services or startup services being installed without user notification and permission and I disagree with software creators making them crucial for their programs to work, Its not done for the user, its done for the company behind the software.

What I really disagree with is network protocols being installed such as bonjour, which are not only useless for the majority of users but in the past has been left behind when the rest of the apple software is removed.

And its not because its apple, its because apple are doing it.

[Headbanger]

How much of the EULA did you read? If you're so pedantic as to care what all the services are about you might want to read that in its entirety.
95% of users won't care what the individual services are for, a legit program installed them and if the developer thought them necessary thats good enough for me (and the 95%).

A poor startup/services configuration can lead to poor performance, the chances of the few iTunes ones doing so on anything but an ancient computer seem very unlikey, and even then it will be a straw that broke the camels back situation.

It would be better to educate the 95 percent of users who don't understand background services and startup items.

Though then they probably wouldn't accept itunes would they. But thats what facts and education are for, to help people make informed choices.

[bogan]

It would be better to educate the 95 percent of users who don't understand background services and startup items.

Though then they probably wouldn't accept itunes would they. But thats what facts and education are for, to help people make informed choices.

You're really clutching at straws now, I happen to know quite a bit about computer, and guess what program I run. Tell the other 95% it runs a few background services that do not noticeable effect the running of their computer and see if they uninstall it.

See folks, this is how you demonstrate how good a product is, take a very dedicated hater of said product, and ask them to justify their negative opinions. When they all crumble away to opinions and minority case arguments, you know you have a great product shit, in this case we even got the hater to use install the product