The new iTunes

[Headbanger]

You're really clutching at straws now, I happen to know quite a bit about computer, and guess what program I run.

I have no idea what program you run, can't say I care. I also assumed a high level of computer knowledge, Thats not an issue.


Coming from a background where a considerable amount of my customers issues were caused by the unknown actions of programs installed in good faith I can say I'm disappointed but not surprised by your attitude. But that is the apple way, itunes is just an embodiment of that.

No need to tell the so called other "95 percent" that unknown,unwanted,undesirable background apps are actually good for them, Just fire up task manager and show them the amount of pointless services that are crippling their machine, then into the services cp or msconfig and kill them all off, There gratitude is obvious when the system is rebooted.

[bogan]

I have no idea what program you run, can't say I care. I also assumed a high level of computer knowledge, Thats not an issue.

Well there has been a few clues in the thread if you look closely

Coming from a background where a considerable amount of my customers issues were caused by the unknown actions of programs installed in good faith I can say I'm disappointed but not surprised by your attitude. But that is the apple way, itunes is just an embodiment of that.

No need to tell the so called other "95 percent" that unknown,unwanted,undesirable background apps are actually good for them, Just fire up task manager and show them the amount of pointless services that are crippling their machine, then into the services cp or msconfig and kill them all off, There gratitude is obvious when the system is rebooted.

Computers are designed to run programs, services are designed to help those programs to run with efficiency. The windows desktop is nice and all, but not very productive if that is all you have on a computer. Disabling services is a band-aid solution at best, looks nice for the customer and they'll probably think you're a magician, but they'll be back in a while for the same job, but I guess that's good for you too. Program selection and control is far better, only keep the ones you will use often to minimise performance issues while maximising task efficiency. Don't forget that task efficiency is what a computer is all about, maybe your work scope is so narrow you don't deal with that aspect of the customers requires so much?
And of course the program number scale with hardware, supercomp and you'll be able to have piles of shit running, decrepit old comp and you might only be able to run one thing at a time, in which case iTunes probably isn't a good plan unless you're an amateur DJ.

[Headbanger]

Yeah,nah.

Education is the key.

Avoid crap like itunes and other bad offenders and the problem doesn't get so far out of hand.

No money in it for me anymore, But when asked I still show people what pointless rubbish is running,how to monitor it and give it a tweak.


and thanks for your insight ....lmfao. Too funny.

Your just out of nappies right?

[bogan]

Yeah,nah.

Education is the key.

Avoid crap like itunes and other bad offenders and the problem doesn't get so far out of hand.

No money in it for me anymore, But when asked I still show people what pointless rubbish is running,how to monitor it and give it a tweak.


and thanks for your insight ....lmfao. Too funny.

Your just out of nappies right?

You're going around in circles and losing coherency again, so I'll redirect you to an earlier post...

See folks, this is how you demonstrate how good a product is, take a very dedicated hater of said product, and ask them to justify their negative opinions. When they all crumble away to opinions and minority case arguments, you know you have a great product shit, in this case we even got the hater to use install the product

[Headbanger]

Just a fyi for windows users.

For a efficient and stable machine your best strategy is to have the maximum available resources for the programs you are actively using, having multiple items running in the background is pointless when a modern system can (when not bogged down with shit) open any app in a matter of seconds.

These background apps not only use up system resources but make use of your network connection as well, And unless actively monitored they will continue to expand in scope over the lifetime of the machine and each entry is taking a little bit more of your system resources away from where you need them.In the worst case you only need one to play up in a way that can make your system an unresponsive unstable pile of junk.

If you wanted to be blunt about it, the only 2 items that you actively need in there is your firewall and AV, and they generally only require a single entry each.

A quick ctrl-alt-del on the XP machine I am currently using shows 28 active processes, and thats including the fluff installed by itunes and my broswer, an unhealthy system will have 80+ and its performance will be significantly hampered.

[Scuba_Steve]

hey cool the search shows album art now too

[bogan]

hey cool the search shows album art now too

And you can add alubums or song to the playlist from the drop down autocomplete bit too!

A quick ctrl-alt-del on the XP machine I am currently using shows 28 active processes, and thats including the fluff installed by itunes and my browser, an unhealthy system will have 80+ and its performance will be significantly hampered.

88 running at the moment, 2% CPU and 20% RAM (800meg is my browser cos I like tabs), this is just after getting 50+fps on far cry 3 with ultra settings and 2560x1440 display res. Match your software to your hardware, or vice-versa, assigning arbitrary numbers based on your seemingly old system is well and good if thats what other people run, but a lot of us run higher spec computers so we can do more with them. Comes back to task efficiency again, by all means kill processes that hamper efficiency, but if they don't I don't see any point of getting rid of them.

[Headbanger]

uh.....This isn't about the size of your e-penis lad, nor does your system have any bearing on best practice.

Keep on stroking it.

[bogan]

uh.....This isn't about the size of your e-penis lad, nor does your system have any bearing on best practice.

Keep on stroking it.

Ok then, here's a chance for you to contribute something, what is the best program to automatically clean up all these unwanted services and processes so my machine can run at best practice standards? Or do you expect everyone to go through and look up the names of each to figure out which program they belong to, and then figure out if they are needed or not. Because the later sounds like a waste of time if all it achieves is conforming to headbanger's idea of best practice.

[Headbanger]

Ok then, here's a chance for you to contribute something, what is the best program to automatically clean up all these unwanted services and processes so my machine can run at best practice standards? Or do you expect everyone to go through and look up the names of each to figure out which program they belong to, and then figure out if they are needed or not. Because the later sounds like a waste of time if all it achieves is conforming to headbanger's idea of best practice.

There is no such program to the best of my knowledge, though you can run a hijackthis scan and load the resulting log it into their analiser.Spybot will also show your startup items and some services in different colors to highlight if they are required,useless or nasty. Both these systems are far too cautious.

To do it properly requires a level of expertise, just about everything in there is recorgnisible by name if you know what the names refer to., what isn't can be researched, and the rest is probably nasty. Which is why I have stopped short of recommending everyone wade in there and starting fiddling, Ideally people would be educated from the get go and have the ability to monitor their startup items and services as part of their system routine.

If a comp came into my workshop that was barley working or unstable, I'd kill em all. Clean the system, Give it back to them, tell them to use it for a week and take note of anything that didn't work as expected, then I'd re-enable just those entries that related to apps they actually used. Funny enough no one was impressed when informed about how much junk apple was running on their system, especially when many people hadn't used itunes for months.



Of course part of this would be not recommending apps that drop 3 executables into start up and install a bunch of services. If every program done that then it wouldn't (and doesn't) take long for the shit to hit the fan.

Then again, It makes no difference to you, Your e-penis is huge,I wouldn't bother.


Back to the reference to OS, Later versions of Windows are generally running 50+ services at minimum.

[bogan]

There is no such program to the best of my knowledge, though you can run a hijackthis scan and load the resulting log it into their analiser.

Seems to me if it was as big of an issue as you say it is, there would be plenty of programs for that purpose. It would be piss-easy to maintain a list of service names and compile their purpose, the program identifies services that might not be required, tell the customer exactly what they are there for (could also give a score as to how much resources they use) and removes or keeps them at their discretion.
You can have that idea for free btw, with the massively crippling problem you should be able to make millions, right?

Then again, It makes no difference to you, Your e-penis is huge,I wouldn't bother.

The reason I mentioned my performance was to give you some insight as to the other end of the demographic from what you are used to seeing. And going by the prices of apple products, their users my be more up my end of the demographic than yours.

[Headbanger]

Seems to me if it was as big of an issue as you say it is, there would be plenty of programs for that purpose. It would be piss-easy to maintain a list of service names and compile their purpose, the program identifies services that might not be required, tell the customer exactly what they are there for (could also give a score as to how much resources they use) and removes or keeps them at their discretion.
You can have that idea for free btw, with the massively crippling problem you should be able to make millions, right?



The reason I mentioned my performance was to give you some insight as to the other end of the demographic from what you are used to seeing. And going by the prices of apple products, their users my be more up my end of the demographic than yours.

Seriously? You think your specs are something I'm unaware of?, are you smoking crack? or was I meant to flash my own e-penis back at you so you could decide if you were adressing an equal penis?

Sadly my opinion of you has plummeted from your last three or four delusional and naive posts.


Never fear, it will recover. But that shits just dumb.

[bogan]

Seriously? You think your specs are something I'm unaware of?, are you smoking crack? or was I meant to flash my own e-penis back at you so you could decide if you were adressing an equal penis?

Sadly my opinion of you has plummeted from your last three or four delusional and naive posts.


Never fear, it will recover. But that shits just dumb.

Either you're unaware or you're grossly exaggerating when you've said the 3 iTunes processes will hamper the performance of the computer.

While we're ad-hominiming, my opinion of you hasn't changed much, and no thats not a good thing. Its because you continue to focus on the small details and try to score internet points (which cannot even be redemed for pies) while failing to address the points I'm sure you're aware I'm making. All it says to me is that you simply don't have facts to support your biased opinions, and I'd bet thats what it looks like to anybody else who is still bothering to look in on this thread.

[Headbanger]

Either you're unaware or you're grossly exaggerating when you've said the 3 iTunes processes will hamper the performance of the computer.

While we're ad-hominiming, my opinion of you hasn't changed much, and no thats not a good thing. Its because you continue to focus on the small details and try to score internet points (which cannot even be redemed for pies) while failing to address the points I'm sure you're aware I'm making. All it says to me is that you simply don't have facts to support your biased opinions, and I'd bet thats what it looks like to anybody else who is still bothering to look in on this thread.

Personally all I get from you is your love of itunes + epenis makes you unable to comprehend the larger picture. Both the above quoted paragraphs are pure drivel. well, apart from my craving for internet points.

I'm still laughing that you thought to enlighten me via your fps......lmfao.

And you're arrogant enough to accuse me of being unable to be educated.

[bogan]

Personally all I get from you is your love of itunes + epenis makes you unable to comprehend the larger picture. Both the above quoted paragraphs are pure drivel. well, apart from my craving for internet points.

I'm still laughing that you thought to enlighten me via your fps......lmfao.

And you're arrogant enough to accuse me of being unable to be educated.

Exactly what I meant before, the main point of my previous post was the first line which you ignored. Simple question, do the itunes processes running on my computer hamper its performance in a way that detrimentally affects the user experience.