The new iTunes

[Headbanger]

Exactly what I meant before, the main point of my previous post was the first line which you ignored. Simple question, do the itunes processes running on my computer hamper its performance in a way that detrimentally affects the user experience.

The bigger picture and the specifics have already been outlined to you numerous times, If it means nothing to you then its no skin off my nose.


Do I consider a small number of selected processes directly related to actively used applications is fine?

Sure do.

Do I consider apple to be bad offenders when it comes to loading simple apps with system and network hooks that can create a negative user experience?

Sure do.

Does the fact you referenced a gaming pc have any relevancy?

Sure doesn't.

[madandy]

I dont understand soe ofwat you guys are saying but I do(did) know how to reduce the unwanted crap running in the background on my PC...then I tried an Apple. I prefer it.

Isheep it may be but for a large number of people who actually prefer itunes to the other choices I find it faster and simpler than the alternatives.
I tried Torrents but theres heaps of different torrent sites with names that give no clue to the genres within. I am a musician and regularly jam with professionals and am happy to buy my music. I do not support pirate software on principal. I would not like my hard work to be supplied free without my consent...

Call me dumb or whatever...I'm good at what I do and computers are just a tool for me to access music, email a few forums, youtube etc and the Apple product is favoured by me, my wife, family and a LOT of friends...forevery bad point you come with, headbanger I have eperienced worse from PC.

[Headbanger]

Headbanger I have eperienced worse from PC.

Bear in mind that I consider itunes on an apple device to be a far better beast, apart from the copy/paste fiasco.

And I'm not defending PC centric apps that do the same crap on Windows machines as what apple does to them, all the main players are equally guilty of the same practices and should be condemned, and there is an unlimited amount of small nasty players directly messing with users using the same loopholes that MS leave there for their partners to use, to the detriment of millions of users.

Nothing apart from security apps should be able to be launched on startup or install services, and that should be regulated by MS and integrated at a kernal level.

In my opinion of course, Others feel that whatever some corperation feels like installing must be good. And then throw money at hardware.

[bogan]

The bigger picture and the specifics have already been outlined to you numerous times, If it means nothing to you then its no skin off my nose.


Do I consider a small number of selected processes directly related to actively used applications is fine?

Sure do.

Do I consider apple to be bad offenders when it comes to loading simple apps with system and network hooks that can create a negative user experience?

Sure do.

Does the fact you referenced a gaming pc have any relevancy?

Sure doesn't.

Of course it is, kind of how computers work after all.

Do I consider this a reason not to use any of their apps? (and this is the important bit)
Maybe if the negative user experience did actually occur (unlikely), and was annoying enough to outweigh the benefits (highly unlikely) then yes I would stop their process or uninstal the application. The computers I have seen in need of such a tune up can be tuned up quite adequately by removing just the unused processes, keeping apple's stuff still allows it to run fine. Maybe this is why your opinions are skewed? you remove apples stuff plus a whole lot more, so the effect is greater and instead of attributing part of the effect to its parts, you attribute the sum of the effect to the parts.

Do I understand why you dismiss my pc as irrelevant because it is gaming spec? Not at all, plenty of people have gaming spec computers which will handle iTunes just as well as mine, yet you have said the software is so rubbish nobody should use it.

Do I think your opinions are uninformed, well as a non-iTunes user with obvious anti-apple bias, very much so.

Do I know why I continue to post in this thread, not really; your circular and uninformed logic fails to amuse me anymore.

Will I post again, now that's a question I'll have to leave for later...

[madandy]

Now that I understand, and agree with.

Keppin yer 'puta in tip top working order is like maintaining a bike or tuning an engine...most just dont geddit or have the inclination. So they reluctantly pays the geek when the device starts to piss them off

[Headbanger]

Maybe this is why your opinions are skewed? you remove apples stuff plus a whole lot more, so the effect is greater and instead of attributing part of the effect to its parts, you attribute the sum of the effect to the parts.

Seems to me you know everything, understand nothing.

Are you so incapable of comprehending that which doesn't fit your established views that you make up the waffle as quoted above to fit?

The reason I dismissed your PC is because it has zero bearing on the practices of corporations and what the user needs to know about their system, Best practice on your bike is to check the oil, You wouldn't simply stop doing that because you bought a 2l engine.

[imdying]

I have an iPod, it's about 8 years old (first gen mini). It still works, although I have to bash it against the handbrake lever to make it play at times

For me, iTunes lasted as long as it took to find an alternative that wasn't bloated to all heck. I hate to think what it has become today (download size?). Had a look at the latest version as the reviews were mixed, and it surprised me how unintuitive the user interface is. Apple converts generally suggest otherwise, but often the questions I get asked about it, relate to the most trivial functionality, things that no person should have to ask as it should be obvious. Mind you, if you want to buy something, the interface cossets you in that direction... one gets the feeling that that is their major driver.

I see they've followed Microsoft down the monochrome icons trail. Dumb arses. That goes against both companies UI design guidelines. The mind boggles.

The smart play lists are nice, but nothing you can't get elsewhere, and quite a lot less tuneable than something like Winamp.

I can't disagree about the number of bits of rubbish it installed... just to load songs on to an iPod. Not cool at all.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with it (ok, maybe the interface, but you'd get used to that), it's just a poor offering from one of the worlds largest tech companies. You would think with their resources there would be far less hoops to jump through. It is definitely something I do not recommend to anyone, but I wouldn't recommend WMP either.

[awa355]

I have upgraded to the newer version of I tunes. When I go into my library, I get a pop up saying I cannot play previous downloads untill my pc is authorised, How do I do that? I cant find any prompt anywhere.


Edit; Got it Gosh, sometimes, I'm so smart, I almost amaze myself.

[The Lone Rider]

Just bought the album I was after off of CDbaby.com

No DRM.. can do what I want.

None of this maximum 5 authorization bullshit to listen to the mp3s I paid for.

Fuck iTunes and all the little bullshit programs it installs additionally.

Fuck Apple

[Scuba_Steve]

Just bought the album I was after off of CDbaby.com

No DRM.. can do what I want.

None of this maximum 5 authorization bullshit to listen to the mp3s I paid for.

Fuck iTunes and all the little bullshit programs it installs additionally.

Fuck Apple

I don't know much of anything about them but looking at their site & FAQ guess the album must not be a "mainstream" famous type which was lucky otherwise it looked like you wouldn't find it there, & you managed to get da exact same DRM as iTunes Store at a lower quality, congrats!... But hey fuck Apple & iTunes

[ducatilover]

So much e-knob!!!!!!!


I have seen the iTunes about to wipe your music thing myself, it flashed all these messages at me, I decided (first time I've used iTunes, a few weeks back) I probably don't know how to set it up.
It was an iPoddy thing not set up with the PC, so I suppose somebody with a bigger attention span would do it.

I just cancelled out of it and carried on my merry way. Not a huge issue... read the fucking warning things!

For what it's worth, the iTunes on here is using less resources than WMP (essentially the Megasoft equivalent?) and similar to VLC, but a bit more than Foobar2000. To a normal person, it's easy to use

And who the fuck can't disable start up services?

[bogan]

for those who think iTunes is unacceptable bloatware, try installing a canon Pixma printer

Guess I have to throw it away now? Pity as it seems like it will do a really nice job and the whole flat can print from it through the wifi...

And who the fuck can't disable start up services?

The same people who would benefit most from the easy to use software I guess Think I'll install a few more things, then prune back some of my own startup items; actually, will try and find some software to do that for me.

[Scuba_Steve]

for those who think iTunes is unacceptable bloatware, try installing a canon Pixma printer

I see your Canon printing software & raise you HP printing software.

[Gremlin]

I see your Canon printing software & raise you HP printing software.

Yeah, I'd say Canon is Ok, you can control the install if you wish very easily, but otherwise it's quite functional.

HP.... urgh.

On the plus side, we put in plenty of Canon printers, good stable machines for the most part, excellent drivers etc. HP screwed us around for a month with a printer lacking RDP printing, until we finally found out from the product manager at the distributor. HP denied any issue (which made us dig further into the problem - pointlessly). Canon's best seller is HP.

[Headbanger]

Righto,

Following the natural progression of these things, I uninstalled itunes.

As expected from past experience the uninstall process isn't in the interest of the user.

itunes is listed as uninstalled, itunes helper is listed as uninstalled (though I doubt either have been uninstalled properly so they warrant further investigation)

However

apple application support
apple mobile device support
apple software update
and bonjour are all still installed.

Its not as bad as past installs, But its still the behavior of a bunch of fucktards, requiring the running of 4 uninstallers for one install. Unfortunately as far as apple is concerned this is par for the course.

System was rebooted and the registry scanned for redundant entries, 32 identified as relating to the itunes install that were left on machine and required manual deletion.

Quick check on system files identified a a dozen or so system folders left behind, Most were empty though the itunes folder and the apple computer folder in the application data directory both contained files that required manual deletion.


Irrespective of whether this is a result of poor programming or arrogant decision making (I'd say both), It is funny enough much improved over apples past performance.

That however isn't justification, I wouldn't recommend anyone infect their system with what I could only describe as utter shit unless that person was misinformed enough to purchase an itunes device, in which case, who cares, This is your only option. Even the alternatives require the apple software/services to be resident on the system and running in order to function. Certainly its not worth the sacrifice if all you are after is a media player.

I would recommend everyone else weigh up the pros and cons and then purchase an android device, You then have the choice as to whether or not you would like to use copy/paste or a more involved sync application, all without being forced into the apple system of wankery.