Ixon gear, no warranty support

[Crasherfromwayback]

Plus he rolled in next week and bitched you out.

then bought a Road King.


right?

Lol. Honestly can't remember now...but I very much doubt it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'd expect a zip to last the life of the jacket. It shouldn't be that difficult, it only has to go up and down. I have a Dainese textile jacket that is getting on a bit now, had to replace the main zip after I don't know how long, eight or nine years. PITA and I blamed myself not the jacket. Now an inside pocket zip has gone but at around 12 years old or so and pretty much everyday use over that time the whole jacket is looking tired and needing some TLC. And a wash probably. I would however buy another in a heartbeat. If I had a jacket where the zip failed after two years I would not be buying that brand of jacket again, or indeed any gear from that particular manufacturer.

There are zips and zips. If you are manufacturing to a price point its a way of cheaping the fuck out. So you use shitty off-brand zips and cheap shitty thread and crappy linings and cut corners where the punters can't see. Then you get slaves to make it for cheap then you send it out to gullible fuckwits to buy. source: my pertner has been in the rag trade for years.

I have no wish to reiterate some of the more arcane rantings from, say Mr Q. Moto, nor am I in a position to comment on the quality of that particular product, but generally sepaking the reason a quality jacket (or whatever) IS a quality jacket is because they have used proper YKK zips, they have employed qualified people to make patterns, and to cut the garments and used quality thread to put them together.

TL;DR: you fucking get what you fucking pay for.

[HenryDorsetCase]

2 years? Is all the gear you sell that shit? Fark..I've got jackets over 10 years old with no zip problems.

My Naturalwear rock and roll jacket is 30 year old and still has its original zips. Its probably had 15 years of hard use and ten years of hanging in the cupboard. I might bust it out this summer.

[Berries]

No Qmoto then?

No. I have a Suzuki.

[GrayWolf]

There are zips and zips. If you are manufacturing to a price point its a way of cheaping the fuck out. So you use shitty off-brand zips and cheap shitty thread and crappy linings and cut corners where the punters can't see. Then you get slaves to make it for cheap then you send it out to gullible fuckwits to buy. source: my pertner has been in the rag trade for years.

I have no wish to reiterate some of the more arcane rantings from, say Mr Q. Moto, nor am I in a position to comment on the quality of that particular product, but generally sepaking the reason a quality jacket (or whatever) IS a quality jacket is because they have used proper YKK zips, they have employed qualified people to make patterns, and to cut the garments and used quality thread to put them together.

TL;DR: you fucking get what you fucking pay for.

Yup 100%agree, Ixon's main business is 'ski clothing' M/cycle gear is a 'profitable sideline'? I am going to guess from reading up on various types of zips, once again it's fashion... big chunky YKK jips 'look ugly', and secondly seems YKK zips can break needles, the commonly fitted coil zip does'nt.

"#1 Coil Zippers use the toothed elements of helical coils of polyester, nylon or in some cases metal wire as the fastening system.The opposing elements of the exposed coil interlock with each other to form the closure. The coils can be formed and woven directly into the supporting tapes or pre-formed and sewn onto specially pre-manufactured tapes in a separate operation. These products are
widely used because of their inconspicuous appearance when incorporated into the finished product. The nylon and polyester coils will not generally break an industrial sewing machine needle if stitched over, which allows bar tacking as a method to close one end of the fastener.

#3 Metal Zippers have teeth of stamped or diecast interlocking design fastened to the beaded edge of a dyed supporting tape. They have a long life and tend to be very sturdy and strong in all directions. Brass zippers are used in Marine applications as they do not rust as much as steel. They are also used in Applications such as garment and upholstering due to the desirable brass or metal finish."

[Tazz]

Everything I never wanted to know about zips, and more!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Everything I never wanted to know about zips, and more!

there's a ladies apparel section.

I'm just saying

http://www.ykkfastening.com/

[Tazz]

there's a ladies apparel section.

I'm just saying

http://www.ykkfastening.com/

Good to know they've got you covered. Did the polyester grade hold up all good or did it leave a bad taste in your mouth?

[GrayWolf]

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Isnt that the Harley specific facial attachment, to the new Bell Rogue helmet?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Isnt that the Harley specific facial attachment, to the new Bell Rogue helmet? [/QUOTE]

only $399.99 too: they have an accessory line of tassels and will sell you one that makes an extra "potato potato" noise for an extra two hundy though.

[Ratti]

2 years? Is all the gear you sell that shit? Fark..I've got jackets over 10 years old with no zip problems.

I don't sell gear, I fix it. I use YKKzips.
It depends a lot on the person using the jacket. I have one customer who insists on using his jacket as a shopping trolley and breaks his zips about every year or so. They will only stand so much strain after all. The zips on my personal jackets, have lasted 5-6 years with no sign of a problem. Go figure. As Crasher said, some folk are really rough on zips and bugger them in no time, others are more sensible and they last for years. In a jacket that is being worn every day, I'd expect a couple of years normal wear and tear.

[Big Dog]

My technic freeway has the coil zips. Sure about 10% of the year I am wearing one of my other jackets but it has survived with me for 7-8 years. Approx 160000 kms.
I have never taken any special care.
My neo commander is 9-10 years old has yell zippers but in a plastic saw tooth. Heavy gauge. About 80,000 kms. Since I have had the freeway it has only really been use when the freeway is two wet to wear. Zip handles look a little ratty where the paint has come away from the alloy. Otherwise good.
Nip, no special care taken there either.

My old leather jacket from my youth covered about 200000kms. Over 4 years. I had to rub a pencil down its alloy teeth every change of season. Lost a tooth in fourth year but still worked. I sold that when I tried to quit riding. There was another somewhere but zip aw intact on that too.



I guess some people can break anything. Others the zips really do suck.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Quasievil]

There are zips and zips. If you are manufacturing to a price point its a way of cheaping the fuck out. So you use shitty off-brand zips and cheap shitty thread and crappy linings and cut corners where the punters can't see. Then you get slaves to make it for cheap then you send it out to gullible fuckwits to buy. source: my pertner has been in the rag trade for years.

I have no wish to reiterate some of the more arcane rantings from, say Mr Q. Moto, nor am I in a position to comment on the quality of that particular product, but generally sepaking the reason a quality jacket (or whatever) IS a quality jacket is because they have used proper YKK zips, they have employed qualified people to make patterns, and to cut the garments and used quality thread to put them together.

TL;DR: you fucking get what you fucking pay for.

Just for the record, QMOTO (when I owened it over two years back now) Had genuine YKK zips verified by YKK NZ.
also out of interest, I did some strength testing at YKK in Auckland, from a Steel Zip we got 73 KG pull strength, from a Plastic we got 125 KG Pull strength, thats a big difference.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just for the record, QMOTO (when I owened it over two years back now) Had genuine YKK zips verified by YKK NZ.
also out of interest, I did some strength testing at YKK in Auckland, from a Steel Zip we got 73 KG pull strength, from a Plastic we got 125 KG Pull strength, thats a big difference.

that was interesting.

so you do up the zip then pull it perpendicular to the line of the zip? What was the failure mode?