Lawyer escapes drink-driving charge

**jasonu** · 14th December 2012, 15:13

Originally Posted by unstuck

Nah, thats just southland, Speights drinking muppets.

Can't be right. Speights is possum piss which is non alcholic...

**MIXONE** · 14th December 2012, 15:22

Originally Posted by jasonu

Can't be right. Speights is possum piss which is non alcholic...

SPEIGHTS= Superior Piss Enjoyed In Great Hotels Throughout Southland.

**Scuba_Steve** · 14th December 2012, 15:44

Originally Posted by mashman

Crush his car and get Crusher Collins to kick him in the bollocks on the 6pm news. Could get massive viewing figures and if you put adverts either side of the kick, you could generate lots of revenue. Win win.

You can leave crusher collins in the car...
Well heres a question, why don't we crush their cars???

Apparently their gonna stop boy racing with the crushing law (

) So why not implement it here where there is a real danger & where it might actually make a difference given the majority tend to be middle aged with decent cars worth something

**scumdog** · 14th December 2012, 18:46

Originally Posted by MIXONE

SPEIGHTS= Superior Piss Enjoyed In Great Hotels Throughout Southland.

Drink Speights and lose your mates...

**scumdog** · 14th December 2012, 18:50

Originally Posted by Winston001

Frankly I'd have thought he was a goner but am no expert in criminal law. The doctrine of fresh pursuit over-rides the private property protections but only if the offender is fleeing or knows they are being pursued. In this case this jerk managed to raise reasonable doubt that he saw the police car.

Kinda raises a whole hornets nest... every drunk numpty drunken bozo will now drive on until they get home claiming: "Aw, shee-it, sorry boss, never realised you was behind me..."

**Deano** · 14th December 2012, 18:56

Since the Urewera 4 trial, there have been a number of amendments/repeals to various Acts, as a result of the Search and Surveillance Act 2012.

Problem is, the powers that be seem to have thrown the baby out with the bath water in at least one example.

Rights of property owners seem to allow them to break the law with less consequences than before.

Thankfully the RMA Reform Bill may bring things back in line with regard to seized equipment from offenders who have no regard for the peace and quiet of their neighbours.

**Jantar** · 14th December 2012, 18:58

Originally Posted by scumdog

Kinda raises a whole hornets nest... every drunk numpty drunken bozo will now drive on until they get home claiming: "Aw, shee-it, sorry boss, never realised you was behind me..."

Maybe not so unbelievable. Mrs Jantar and I were heading home from the pub one night, I was pissed and Mrs Jantar was the sober driver. Anyway I looked behind us and saw a cop car following us with red and blues flashing so looked forward to see just where wifey would pull over. As she drove past the best place to stop I asked her if she intended stopping for tihe cop. Her reply floored me as she asked "what cop?"

Anyway she did stop and the "random" breath test proved negative. I say random, because the cop knew we had been at the pub watching the rugby. He knew exactly how long we had been there and was extremely suprised the Mrs Jantar passed. What he didn't know was she was drinking coke and raspberry, not beer. Friends later told us that he was obviously waiting for us as he had been parked along the road outside the pub for some time and drove off just as we left the pub. He stopped us 3 km out of town.

I learned two things. Random breath tests are not so random, and drivers don't always use their mirrors.

**scumdog** · 14th December 2012, 19:03

Originally Posted by Jantar

I learned two things. Random breath tests are not so random, and drivers don't always use their mirrors.

You better believe the first part - especially if you're one of those drivers who park well away from the pub in thE hope the cops don't realise you are drinking up large and are associated with the vehicle parked up the road.

Last weekend one such driver was stopped for a 'random' test and gave a reading of 1214mgm - and was his 3rd EBA...jail looks like a possibility for him..

**Deano** · 14th December 2012, 19:04

Aren't cops allowed to 'randomly' or not allowed to stop people for breath testing?

I mean FFS, they have the right to pull you over to check compliance of your vehicle at any time don't they? And, oh by the way, I smell alcohol...please blow into this...what is the problem ?

You drive on the road, you are fair game to be stopped. Don't like it ?, take the bus.

**scumdog** · 14th December 2012, 19:05

Originally Posted by Deano

Are cops only allowed to 'randomly' stop people for breath testing?

I mean FFS, they have the right to pull you over to check compliance of your vehicle at any time don't they? And, oh by the way, I smell alcohol...please blow into this...what is the problem ?

You drive on the road, you are fair game to be stopped. Don't like it ?, take the bus.

'Any where - any time' I think they said..

**mashman** · 14th December 2012, 19:07

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

You can leave crusher collins in the car...
Well heres a question, why don't we crush their cars???

Apparently their gonna stop boy racing with the crushing law (

) So why not implement it here where there is a real danger & where it might actually make a difference given the majority tend to be middle aged with decent cars worth something

bwaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaa... that would be murder. Although a smart lawyer might reasonably argue self defence or at worst an unfortunate SMIDSY.

heh... I have no problem with that for recidivists. Although I reckon if they have multiple vehicles, KB should be consulted as to which car should be crushed. Could make for some fun threads.

**Zedder** · 14th December 2012, 19:48

Originally Posted by scumdog

You better believe the first part - especially if you're one of those drivers who park well away from the pub in thE hope the cops don't realise you are drinking up large and are associated with the vehicle parked up the road.

Last weekend one such driver was stopped for a 'random' test and gave a reading of 1214mgm - and was his 3rd EBA...jail looks like a possibility for him..

Jail a possibility on only his third EBA? Don't be so bloody naive Scumdog.

**scumdog** · 14th December 2012, 20:01

Originally Posted by Zedder

Jail a possibility on only his third EBA? Don't be so bloody naive Scumdog.

One can dream...one can dream....

**Winston001** · 14th December 2012, 20:24

Originally Posted by Deano

Aren't cops allowed to 'randomly' or not allowed to stop people for breath testing?

I mean FFS, they have the right to pull you over to check compliance of your vehicle at any time don't they? And, oh by the way, I smell alcohol...please blow into this...what is the problem ?

Yes. They can. That is what random stopping is - no reason, just checking.

Historically citizens have the right to unimpeded progress and freedom from being retained without cause. That is still the law in some of the United States. That is why American cops use a broken tail-light etc as an excuse to pull over a driver.

But that is no longer the law (so far as I know) in the UK, Australia, and NZ.

In 1982 the NZ Court of Appeal held that randomly pulling over a motorist was lawful for public policy reasons and ever since we have had random stopping ie. no particular reason is required to stop a motorist.