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    The rules are the rules

    So I will try my very best to.....

    a) stick to them as a racer.
    b) enforce them as a club.

    To pick up a few points being made in other threads;

    I sit in both camps; I still get the chance to get out on a race bike and more recently find myself in the position of an official.

    Hampton Downs

    It is hard to 'physically' see the start of the yellow pit entry line at 200+k's but I 'know' where it is, I also know the advantage I would gain by trying to go up the inside (over the yellow line) in the braking zone for turn 1. I also know it is against rule 16 of the entry form.

    What are we (AMCC) going to do about it?
    We will have a 'spotter' (yep, yet another hard to find volunteer) who's job it will be to monitor transgressions into this area and report to CoC that will result in a black flag for offenders exluding them from the race. Its in the rules, item 16 on AMCC entry forms. I sign to say I understand those rules and agree to them so I wont be supprised if I infringe them and am exluded from the race (black flagged).

    The same level of compliance of the rules is expected of me and I sign to say I agree, on all other aspects relating to me racing my bike, be that the compliance of machine, behaviour of pit crew, race etiquette, flag adehrence...the list is a long one and the book a thick one.

    What are we (AMCC) going to do about it?
    Simply put, all we can do is enforce it, we would be in breech of the rules ourselves if we didn't.
    Point marshals are better trained now, each point now has a senior marshal who has been round long enough to recognise what he/she see's and reports what has been seen to the CoC & Steward, they have the rule book in front of them and have no choice but to be guided by that rule and follow the course of action it dictates.

    Yes of course some things go un-noticed but you still have options, speak to the steward or riders rep to seek clarification or guidance.

    As an official I am not expected to be able to quote every rule vebatim out of the book, I am expected to be conversant with the rules that relate to the meeting I am running and know were in the rule book to find them for clarification (often in a time limiting mannor). I am also expected to ensure those rules are followed.

    As a racer I'm also not expected to be able to quote every rule in the book but I expected to make sure the rules that relate to me, my bike, its class and the meeting I do know and as importantly I expect those running the meeting to be enforcing those rules so that all is fair for me.

    Race meetings take a lot of personel to put on and a lot of organising to achieve, as much preperation is devoted to this 'pre' the meeting as racers give to their bikes pre meeting and belive it or not a de-brief 'post' the meeting to see what can be done better or different.

    So;

    As a racer, I'll turn up to the meeting with my bike prepared, conversant with the rules that apply to me, my team, my bike and its class. If I infinge any rule I expect to be pinged for it. The aim of my day is to have a great time enjoying racing my bike with like minded people.

    As an organiser, I'll turn up to the meeting prepared for the day ahead, to ensure the rules are being followed to make it fair for everyone regardless of what class they are in. If any rule is infringed I'll simply be guided by what it says in the rule book and after taking into consideration what is said make a call. The aim of my day will be to enjoy watching and being part of you race your bike with like minded people.

    Good luck to those going to Manfield for round 2, see the rest of you at HD

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    Quote Originally Posted by FROSTY View Post
    What bought this on KG?
    Nothing specific Frosty, It’s just important I think that we get into perspective the issues both racers and officials face at meetings.

    We both need to consider the other and the implications of failing to work within the rules that govern us.

    A rule bend here or rules bend there or worse an ignoring of rules undermines both safety and the integrity of our sport.

    Its mid way through the summer series & Tri series next weekend and the start of Nationals in a few weeks so just felt it important to let people know both me as a racer and me as an official intend to do the best I can to ensure the rules are complied with. We all sign our license’s agreeing to this each year. I want to see the ‘them and us’ barriers eroded and can see the issues from both sides and to be honest there not that far apart.

    We have had instances where rules have been breached both at HD and in the winter series and everyone ends up in arms over it, I’m outlining what I (the racer) & we (AMCC) intend to the best of our ability doing about it from our perspective.

    So you coming out for a skid at the weekend?

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    All rules should be based on fairplay, logic and/or safety.
    Any breech of a rule should be dealt with immediately and consist of appropriate logical consequences.

    One of the constant 'infringements' that annoys me is racers turning up to the dummy grid late (ie - the rest have been released onto the track and the gate, if there is one, is shut). Don't let these guys start from pitlane. You are too late. You miss this race. Tough.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Turning up to scrutineering with your bike or gear filthy is another piss off. How are scrutineers supposed to visibly check things properly if they are not clean?
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    I've only done a few AMCC meetings, and I was only spannering at the recent Tri series round where AMCC were running the day.

    I have but one complaint, Chris Costello can't fucking drive for shit! How anyone thought that a commonwhore ute, on road tyres, following a hilux ute was going to make any difference to the moisture on the track in ten laps, is out of my comprehension. Particularly when doing three minute laps.
    As you were.

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    The only rules are the rules that are enforced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham View Post

    It is hard to 'physically' see the start of the yellow pit entry line at 200+k's but I 'know' where it is, I also know the advantage I would gain by trying to go up the inside (over the yellow line) in the braking zone for turn 1. I also know it is against rule 16 of the entry form.

    What are we (AMCC) going to do about it?
    We will have a 'spotter' (yep, yet another hard to find volunteer) who's job it will be to monitor transgressions into this area and report to CoC that will result in a black flag for offenders exluding them from the race. Its in the rules, item 16 on AMCC entry forms. I sign to say I understand those rules and agree to them so I wont be supprised if I infringe them and am exluded from the race (black flagged).
    It is really easy to see from the the Ctas live timing, There must be room for a extra person up there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    How anyone thought that a commonwhore ute, on road tyres, following a hilux ute was going to make any difference to the moisture on the track in ten laps, is out of my comprehension. Particularly when doing three minute laps...
    At Wanneroo, if the rain's stopped but there's free-standing water on-line before practice commences, the Clerk of Course gets 10 to 12 support utes out and gives them 10 minutes to sweep the line dry, with "spirited" lapping encouraged while he looks the other way and whistles...works well, and slick-shod competitors are most appreciative...

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    It is really easy to see from the the Ctas live timing, There must be room for a extra person up there

    Are you volunteering. Brilliant, report to marshalls briefing at 8.00am on Saturday morning. The job is yours for life, unless we need more marshalls, start personel, Dummy grid staff etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GD66 View Post
    At Wanneroo, if the rain's stopped but there's free-standing water on-line before practice commences, the Clerk of Course gets 10 to 12 support utes out and gives them 10 minutes to sweep the line dry, with "spirited" lapping encouraged while he looks the other way and whistles...works well, and slick-shod competitors are most appreciative...
    Drainage is good at Hamster down syndrome. No puddles to worry about, just misguided good intentions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bykmad View Post
    It is really easy to see from the the Ctas live timing, There must be room for a extra person up there

    Are you volunteering. Brilliant, report to marshalls briefing at 8.00am on Saturday morning. The job is yours for life, unless we need more marshalls, start personel, Dummy grid staff etc.
    Its your club and track that is 5 hours drive away from my place and if I was there I would be in the pits working on bikes, and complying to the rules. I have marshalled before too and been involved with orginising events.

    If everyone online can see riules getting broken and ignored it makes a arse of having them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwi Graham View Post
    I also know it is against rule 16 of the entry form.
    it was clearly pointed out also at riders breifing, seems one of the culprits was only there for the second half of said breifing though.
    They also clearly told people that if your bike has a fault get off the track, Blayes Heaven on the Triumph 675 needs a hearing aid as in the first F2 race he rode most of the track at pitlane speed. This is exactly the behaviour that has lead to more than one fatality in recent years on our tracks, he did get a rev up I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDjase View Post
    It is really easy to see from the the Ctas live timing, There must be room for a extra person up there
    Yes there is room and that's where the 'spotter ' will be.
    Bykmad has a point if anyone wants an introduction to the halls of officialdom, sitting next to Grant in a luxury HD apartment wouldn't be a bad start.
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