Red Flag Restarts?

[Peter Smith]

I feel sorry for the marshals. Was racing at Manfield a few months ago when the race was red flagged (most riders had wets and the track was drying out). The Marshal tried to hold the bikes on the dummy grid and would not allow refuelling but was bullied into letting the riders return to their pits to refuel. Several returned with different tyre. Just saying, that’s all.

[GD66]

thanks paul, that was all i was looking for.

I apologize that i cannot recall line for line the 100+ pages of rules that apply at a road race meet.... I really struggle with the rule book trying to find information. Perhaps when i have been around long enough i will have seen it all and know the ins and outs of most situations.

I would hate to be an official who didn't know the exact wording of a rule one day, as a rider i get this much shit for not knowing them all, god help them.

Flyz, no-one's giving you shit mate : there ARE a lot of rules to absorb, but the longer you go the more you will become familiar with them and the more apparent sense they'll make. In the meantime, you don't have to know all the rules at all, but it is pretty important to know where in the rule book the relevant rules can be found. I've been going to the bike racing for 50 years, have been a competitor in roadrace and mx for more than half that time, and I'm a clerk of course, a steward and a track inspector, and I sure as hell don't know them all. If you spend a couple of hours pre-season reading the GCRs, that's usually enough : but reading the supp regs thoroughly before you send off your entry form for each meeting is very important, because having some clarity avoids all the guesswork and confusion that can quickly arise in a situation such as you've outlined in your opening post, and you can let others stumble and argue while you calmly and quietly get on with your race programme. It's all part of getting your stuff together as your experience builds, after a while it becomes a breeze. Stick at it.

[budda]

Flyz, no-one's giving you shit mate : there ARE a lot of rules to absorb, but the longer you go the more you will become familiar with them and the more apparent sense they'll make. In the meantime, you don't have to know all the rules at all, but it is pretty important to know where in the rule book the relevant rules can be found. I've been going to the bike racing for 50 years, have been a competitor in roadrace and mx for more than half that time, and I'm a clerk of course, a steward and a track inspector, and I sure as hell don't know them all. If you spend a couple of hours pre-season reading the GCRs, that's usually enough : but reading the supp regs thoroughly before you send off your entry form for each meeting is very important, because having some clarity avoids all the guesswork and confusion that can quickly arise in a situation such as you've outlined in your opening post, and you can let others stumble and argue while you calmly and quietly get on with your race programme. It's all part of getting your stuff together as your experience builds, after a while it becomes a breeze. Stick at it.

Bullseye ..........

[suzuki21]

Bullseye ..........

There isnt 100 pages of rules to remember. If someone cant remember the relevant rules for their class I would say they are either retarded like Craig Shirrifs, cant read, have the memory of a goldfish, cant be fucked, ugly like Craig Shirrifs, or hope their mummy or daddy will buy their way out of trouble. If its too hard for people maybe they need to do something simple like knitting.

[jellywrestler]

There isnt 100 pages of rules to remember. If someone cant remember the relevant rules for their class I would say they are either retarded like Craig Shirrifs, cant read, have the memory of a goldfish, cant be fucked, ugly like Craig Shirrifs, or hope their mummy or daddy will buy their way out of trouble. If its too hard for people maybe they need to do something simple like knitting.

Think you'll find Craig Shirriffs knows the rule book back to front, even betterer than he knows the local pie shop menu in fact.

[steveyb]

Think you'll find Craig Shirriffs knows the rule book back to front, even betterer than he knows the local pie shop menu in fact.

Now I know you are on crack..........

[budda]

There isnt 100 pages of rules to remember. If someone cant remember the relevant rules for their class I would say they are either retarded like Craig Shirrifs, cant read, have the memory of a goldfish, cant be fucked, ugly like Craig Shirrifs, or hope their mummy or daddy will buy their way out of trouble. If its too hard for people maybe they need to do something simple like knitting.

Part of Racecraft is knowing your shit - flags, safety rules and the rules specific to your chosen Class. THEN you swot up on the Supps for whatever event you're about to enter. Pretty simple, thousands of munters like me have managed it, its NOT too much to expect

Maybe the Real problem is that the Stewards at Club level meetings have been soft-cocking the poor little new guys ....... the only reason us , ahem, "older" chaps can quote rules is that as young fellas we got sick of getting a reaming and then the "drive of shame" home.

The LAST thing most Stewards want is to spend a day of THEIR leisure time being a Policeman to the sort of dolphin-polishers you see on the TV "Road Cops" type programmes - dont know the rules, and dont give a shit about those they ARE aware of - and you and me let them work their fines off at $100 an HOUR doing SFA.

If we all take some personal responsibilty in the rules area, the only time you'll see a Steward is at Sign-In in the morning - rant over

[Biggles08]

Flyz, no-one's giving you shit mate : there ARE a lot of rules to absorb, but the longer you go the more you will become familiar with them and the more apparent sense they'll make. In the meantime, you don't have to know all the rules at all, but it is pretty important to know where in the rule book the relevant rules can be found. I've been going to the bike racing for 50 years, have been a competitor in roadrace and mx for more than half that time, and I'm a clerk of course, a steward and a track inspector, and I sure as hell don't know them all. If you spend a couple of hours pre-season reading the GCRs, that's usually enough : but reading the supp regs thoroughly before you send off your entry form for each meeting is very important, because having some clarity avoids all the guesswork and confusion that can quickly arise in a situation such as you've outlined in your opening post, and you can let others stumble and argue while you calmly and quietly get on with your race programme. It's all part of getting your stuff together as your experience builds, after a while it becomes a breeze. Stick at it.

Very good and well worded reply GD66! I for one appreciate the lack of attitude you have 'as an official' shown in your response...good stuff. All too often genuine questions from riders are too quickly shot down and belittled with undertones of arrogance and it is refreshing to read quality discussion on here for a change...have I accidentally wandered into another dimension...this is KB right?!?