Which fork springs for a Bandit?

[nzspokes]

Because a lot of people are dumb and look at nothing but the dollar figure

Well the guy I got them from has other product that is bike model specific that I cant get here. I landed it all in just over a week. The springs were 40% cheaper than NZ landed.

Last motorcycle items I ordered locally from a dealer ship took 3 months to arrive. In saying that a motorcycle shop just round from work is great, fast for getting parts and knows his stuff. I buy from him al the time.

[Kickaha]

they could even get more because of the massive local mark-ups.

Just because the price here is more expensive doesn't mean the local mark up is massive

[Madness]

BE COMPETITIVE OR GET OUT.

My reference to you being a Jewish cunt has no bearing on your religious beliefs. It's actually a Kiwi-ism for having your hand out asking for something that you haven't earned. Not that you'll find that interesting as that would entail having an interest in understanding our culture, our society and our way of life.

Once again I'm afraid I'm going to have to say no to your silly requests. See I was born here and you were not, so maybe you should get out, back to your homeland where apparently progress is making all things better.

Incidentally, how many school shootings were there in the U.S this week? Perhaps the families of those killed in mass shootings should understand that life as it used to be, where kids were safe in their class rooms, is now a thing of the past and the loss of their childrens lives were just part of the cost of progress.

It's a nice day, I'm going for a ride. Just need to keep a lookout for clueless immigrants.

[wasiler]

Just because the price here is more expensive doesn't mean the local mark up is massive

Depends on the item. My leathers, I would say that is massive for something that is relatively small and shipping cost were about $30-40 dollars from Germany. Each item has to taken into consideration. You might find it cheaper in NZ. I have not found any but, if I do, then they get the business. If you are not in a Rush, then why not buy cheaper? $250/$180 = 1.39 or a 39% increase in cost. If you are fixing up an old bike or constantly swapping parts, that adds up. I am all for supporting NZ small business but, they need to support the customers too.

I'm am not worried about it because you can't change supply and demand. If you try, the economy will collapse like the Soviet Union did. Small business will adapt over time and it might be painful but they don't have any choice. It is going to happen. The sooner they come into line, the sooner the demand will rise and so will their profits.

look at it this way (any similarities in this hypothetical story is merely coincidental)
Let's say I sell springs. I have a set of springs I sell for let's say $250 dollars. Each spring costs me $150 dollars so I make $100 dollars profit on each set. At the end of the year let's say I sell 1 set so my annual profit is $100

The next year let's say I drop my price to $180 dollars. The demand will goes up and I end up selling 2 sets of springs in a year because people are buying local again. Again, the springs cost me $100 and I make a profit of $80 dollars on each set. Since I sold 2 sets...2*80 = $160. Thus more profit and more people riding. The year after that will probably increase because more and more people will be riding because things are more affordable.

I think it is crazy I can buy something at retail overseas and still save 40%. That is way out of line.

I am open for a debate if someone sees otherwise but, I truly believe this to be true unless someone can convince me otherwise. If you are not making a profit, you either need to add more selections/options to your inventory or get out of business. Just raising the price kills business.

[Madness]

No. Fucking. Idea.

Are you also a Ginga by any chance?

[wasiler]

My reference to you being a Jewish cunt has no bearing on your religious beliefs. It's actually a Kiwi-ism for having your hand out asking for something that you haven't earned. Not that you'll find that interesting as that would entail having an interest in understanding our culture, our society and our way of life.

Once again I'm afraid I'm going to have to say no to your silly requests. See I was born here and you were not, so maybe you should get out, back to your homeland where apparently progress is making all things better.

Incidentally, how many school shootings were there in the U.S this week? Perhaps the families of those killed in mass shootings should understand that life as it used to be, where kids were safe in their class rooms, is now a thing of the past and the loss of their childrens lives were just part of the cost of progress.

It's a nice day, I'm going for a ride. Just need to keep a lookout for clueless immigrants.

My apologies and I do find the Kiwi's way of life fascinating. I am always looking to learn more. If that is part of your culture, give me a couple hundred you jew bastard. I have earned my cash just as you have and have worked very hard for it. You seem to think you are the only hard worker in NZ. Is that part of your society to ask for something you have not earned? You are asking the original poster to give an extra $70.

Yes, those school shootings are a problem in the U.S. and something I am not too proud of. That is a hurtful comment too considering young children have been killed. However, some people with little remorse use it as a weapon or tool to justify their failing argument. Hey, squirrel! Let me know what the next topic or shiny object is.

[wasiler]

No. Fucking. Idea.

Are you also a Ginga by any chance?

Then enlighten me wise one. Your lack substance in your responses and personal attacks indicate you have "No. Fucking. Idea." (another Kiwi-ism I presume?). I have heard nothing out of you that can justify your view. Fucking. Nothing.

[Madness]

Then enlighten me wise one. Your lack substance in your responses and personal attacks indicate you have "No. Fucking. Idea." (another Kiwi-ism I presume?). I have heard nothing out of you that can justify your view. Fucking. Nothing.

There's not much point is there, I mean you're hardly going to listen whilst taking the position you so obviously have. Oh, you might want to remove that quoted image before you get an infraction. I'd hate for you to feel not welcome here.

If you are not making a profit, you either need to add more selections/options to your inventory or get out of business. Just raising the price kills business.

It's hardly a level playing-field though, is it? You seem to have failed (in general) to take into account the cost of stocking a small inventory of a wide range of products, paying wages and rent. You see, some of us like to be able to walk into a shop and see the product, try it on before we buy it. That luxury will disappear if ingnorant cunts keep privately importing what is available locally for minimal benefit.

Yes, New Zealand and the entire world is changing. It is probably a re-balancing of economic classes. This is mainly to the Chinese flooding the market with low priced goods.

How do you think a country of 4 million people at the bottom of the world is going to fare in this global "re-balancing of economic classes"? The problem isn't with low priced goods from China, the problem is the ability of morons to privately import single items available locally whilst avoiding import duties and tarrifs.

The faster NZ will change, the better off they will be in the long run.

Yeah, see I disagree with that. Some of us quite like the way this country is, or at least used to be. Once again, if you don't like it, you could always fuck off home.

[wasiler]

Good luck on your venture.

[Robert Taylor]

Depends on the item. My leathers, I would say that is massive for something that is relatively small and shipping cost were about $30-40 dollars from Germany. Each item has to taken into consideration. You might find it cheaper in NZ. I have not found any but, if I do, then they get the business. If you are not in a Rush, then why not buy cheaper? $250/$180 = 1.39 or a 39% increase in cost. If you are fixing up an old bike or constantly swapping parts, that adds up. I am all for supporting NZ small business but, they need to support the customers too.

I'm am not worried about it because you can't change supply and demand. If you try, the economy will collapse like the Soviet Union did. Small business will adapt over time and it might be painful but they don't have any choice. It is going to happen. The sooner they come into line, the sooner the demand will rise and so will their profits.

look at it this way (any similarities in this hypothetical story is merely coincidental)
Let's say I sell springs. I have a set of springs I sell for let's say $250 dollars. Each spring costs me $150 dollars so I make $100 dollars profit on each set. At the end of the year let's say I sell 1 set so my annual profit is $100

The next year let's say I drop my price to $180 dollars. The demand will goes up and I end up selling 2 sets of springs in a year because people are buying local again. Again, the springs cost me $100 and I make a profit of $80 dollars on each set. Since I sold 2 sets...2*80 = $160. Thus more profit and more people riding. The year after that will probably increase because more and more people will be riding because things are more affordable.

I think it is crazy I can buy something at retail overseas and still save 40%. That is way out of line.

I am open for a debate if someone sees otherwise but, I truly believe this to be true unless someone can convince me otherwise. If you are not making a profit, you either need to add more selections/options to your inventory or get out of business. Just raising the price kills business.

No-one in business is in denial of many of your arguments, and like many small busineeses mine is adapting to the new realities. But what is totally unpalatable is that too many private imports dont attract clearance charges and gst on the value of the goods and all the charges. That is a totally unfair inequity that is helping to paralyse small business in NZ. ( Not just motorcycle businesses ) And evidence the rising unemployment queues, would you care to argue that the statsitics are in part being fueled by this inequity? And its not only NZ that is suffering from this, the situation over the ditch is even worse.

Bear in mind also that a lot of these US based companies work on very slender margins and high volume, unsustainable here, further fueled by the value of the greenback being down the toilet. The US may have saved us from annihilation just over 70 odd years ago but there is a lot about that country that is despicable. Remember they gave the world Lehman Brothers and casino banking.

[wasiler]

No-one in business is in denial of many of your arguments, and like many small busineeses mine is adapting to the new realities. But what is totally unpalatable is that too many private imports dont attract clearance charges and gst on the value of the goods and all the charges. That is a totally unfair inequity that is helping to paralyse small business in NZ. ( Not just motorcycle businesses ) And evidence the rising unemployment queues, would you care to argue that the statsitics are in part being fueled by this inequity? And its not only NZ that is suffering from this, the situation over the ditch is even worse.

Bear in mind also that a lot of these US based companies work on very slender margins and high volume, unsustainable here, further fueled by the value of the greenback being down the toilet. The US may have saved us from annihilation just over 70 odd years ago but there is a lot about that country that is despicable. Remember they gave the world Lehman Brothers and casino banking.

Thank you for having a reasonable discussion on this topic. You have brought up a lot of good points. I thought the same about it being unfair for customs fee to small biz. You guys should be given a discount to keep you competitive and keep the currency flowing.

What is stopping you from selling overseas? Maybe rent some warehouse space in a 3rd world country. The Philippines is in the region and people there make maybe $200 a month? Hire a handful of locals to drop ship but, keep your headquarters here. Christ, you have Kim Dotcom living here. You have the world at your fingertips. There is your volume. Use it. Quit thinking like a street vendor selling hot dogs.

Yes, everyone seemed to be on the U.S. gravy train when things were booming. Now it seems people are unhappy that they are no longer on the free ride. Funny, no one really complained before when the money was flowing. Who would have thought. The U.S. did a pretty good job I think for the past half a century. Will China surpass the U.S., who knows. Will another country lead the way? who knows. The U.S. is not out of the ball game yet. They still have a huge GDP and plenty of room for growth..If another country does surpass and financially lead, I am not sure trading will ever be as fair but, we will see. Maybe I'm wrong.

I was surprised..actually shocked I did not get pinged by customs on my shippment here. Keep in mind, cost of living here is high to begin with. That is where your govt is failing. They are making it to much of a burden on small business and the taxes are causing what I was told "the brain drain" for people. If you are small business, I would think they would give you guys a discount on importing goods. That would get the money circulating and keep you competitive with the rest of the world. Your NZ govt is too big for such a small country and too much is being spent. If it means rough roads, failing infrastructure, closing of public buildings, downsizing govt staff etc. so be it. That is the problem the U.S. is currently fighting. The govt is so bloated, it is not even funny. The waste is off the charts. Something has got to give sooner or later.

[Madness]

[Robert Taylor]

Thank you for having a reasonable discussion on this topic. You have brought up a lot of good points. I thought the same about it being unfair for customs fee to small biz. You guys should be given a discount to keep you competitive and keep the currency flowing.

What is stopping you from selling overseas? Maybe rent some warehouse space in a 3rd world country. The Philippines is in the region and people there make maybe $200 a month? Hire a handful of locals to drop ship but, keep your headquarters here. Christ, you have Kim Dotcom living here. You have the world at your fingertips. There is your volume. Use it. Quit thinking like a street vendor selling hot dogs.

Yes, everyone seemed to be on the U.S. gravy train when things were booming. Now it seems people are unhappy that they are no longer on the free ride. Funny, no one really complained before when the money was flowing. Who would have thought. The U.S. did a pretty good job I think for the past half a century. Will China surpass the U.S., who knows. Will another country lead the way? who knows. The U.S. is not out of the ball game yet. They still have a huge GDP and plenty of room for growth..If another country does surpass and financially lead, I am not sure trading will ever be as fair but, we will see. Maybe I'm wrong.

I was surprised..actually shocked I did not get pinged by customs on my shippment here. Keep in mind, cost of living here is high to begin with. That is where your govt is failing. They are making it to much of a burden on small business and the taxes are causing what I was told "the brain drain" for people. If you are small business, I would think they would give you guys a discount on importing goods. That would get the money circulating and keep you competitive with the rest of the world. Your NZ govt is too big for such a small country and too much is being spent. If it means rough roads, failing infrastructure, closing of public buildings, downsizing govt staff etc. so be it. That is the problem the U.S. is currently fighting. The govt is so bloated, it is not even funny. The waste is off the charts. Something has got to give sooner or later.

I dont wish to sell overseas, I wish to serve the market here properly. Rather than engaging in dutch auction mentality.

Discounts on taxing imported goods? No, absolutely no. The failure to tax everything that is imported is something that needs addressing and the Government sure needs the revenue

[nzspokes]

Are you personally in an industry ( ANY industry of many ) that is exposed to trying to compete with offshore internet purchases that so often get through without clearance and gst charges?
More to the point do you actually care?

Could you get springs wound up locally to give more Kiwis work rather than buy offshore?

Just remembered back in the day I got springs done for my race car in Penrose.

[wasiler]

I dont wish to sell overseas, I wish to serve the market here properly. Rather than engaging in dutch auction mentality.

Discounts on taxing imported goods? No, absolutely no. The failure to tax everything that is imported is something that needs addressing and the Government sure needs the revenue

Well, I wish you the best of luck on your ideology. Until then, I will let the overseas companies properly serve me. There are many more that think the same as me and the number is just going to grow. The service I have seen here so far has been not that impressive and it costs more. Until you start listening to your customers, you may be in for some choppy water ahead. Otherwise, don't sit there and moan because you think it is unfair that the govt is not penalizing the customer which is also unfair. It sounds like to me you don't care what your customers pay as long as you are making the money. The soviet union had a similar system where everyone was guaranteed a job. How did that turn out?


NZspokes seems to have the right idea. Keep away from the name brand items such as apparel items and make a product that does not break, (such as springs). If it is too expensive, then congratulations, you have gone full circle. Then again, I don't know, maybe you can find some local Kiwis that will work for the same fees as workers in India or other Southeast Asia countries. yeah...