Which fork springs for a Bandit?

[Robert Taylor]

Could you get springs wound up locally to give more Kiwis work rather than buy offshore?

Just remembered back in the day I got springs done for my race car in Penrose.

There has never been any problem with the quality of work done by the local spring manufacturers. Unless someone can correct me the quality of the steel that many of these guys have used is not up to par.
Possibly also the pricing is something that can only be addressed by volume, something that we dont have a lot of in NZ.
But if I am wrong on that then please let me know

[Robert Taylor]

Well, I wish you the best of luck on your ideology. Until then, I will let the overseas companies properly serve me. There are many more that think the same as me and the number is just going to grow. The service I have seen here so far has been not that impressive and it costs more. Until you start listening to your customers, you may be in for some choppy water ahead. Otherwise, don't sit there and moan because you think it is unfair that the govt is not penalizing the customer which is also unfair. It sounds like to me you don't care what your customers pay as long as you are making the money. The soviet union had a similar system where everyone was guaranteed a job. How did that turn out?


NZspokes seems to have the right idea. Keep away from the name brand items such as apparel items and make a product that does not break, (such as springs). If it is too expensive, then congratulations, you have gone full circle. Then again, I don't know, maybe you can find some local Kiwis that will work for the same fees as workers in India or other Southeast Asia countries. yeah...

Now you have turned the argument into an unreasonable one! For myself I do listen to my customers and there are plenty on this forum who might concur that we have provided great service. We are meeting the new realities as much as is possible but no-one in business will knowingly try and bankrupt themselves to keep the market happy.

And what a ridiculous thing to say ''that the govt is not penalising the customer" If you buy something from a local retailer ( of any product ) you pay gst on the goods and the clearance charges accrued. WHY SHOULD YOU THEN NOT PAY GST ON THE GOODS YOU PRIVATELY IMPORTED??????!!!!! The obstacles to be able to run a business successfully in this country are huge and that is one inequity that retailers have a 200% legitimate right to complain about. Dont forget also that ordinary everyday people rely on such seemingly ''irrelevant'' people such as retailers.

The Government is missing out on a huge amount of revenue through this inability to tax all imports. It seems to be in the hard pile but it should be legislated for the banks to collect it on international transactions. That would also neatly nip in the bud all of the value declaration fraud that is going on.

Many private importers dont end up paying clearance charges and gst on entered goods, often goods beyond the threshold value where customs become interested. The wholesale and retail distribution chain does. WHO IS BEING PENALISED ?

The correct use of the Queens English is to use an s in penalise, not z

Its also being bandied about that 40000 people have lost their jobs in our manufacturing / export sector, because of our high exchange rate. Now I am not a socialist by any means ( far from it ) but it really concerns me that the Government is not listening. Now Im an importer so you cannot accuse in the line of self interest.

[kiwi cowboy]

There has never been any problem with the quality of work done by the local spring manufacturers. Unless someone can correct me the quality of the steel that many of these guys have used is not up to par.
Possibly also the pricing is something that can only be addressed by volume, something that we dont have a lot of in NZ.
But if I am wrong on that then please let me know

Interesting about what you say about the quality of steel the nz guys use as im looking to get a set wound for my 38ml forks off my 87 gsxr400 as i cant seem to be able to get any stiffer springs for it to race with.
Do you have any springs for that bike please or would i have to go local winding (suggestions of where)please

[pete-blen]

Interesting about what you say about the quality of steel the nz guys use as im looking to get a set wound for my 38ml forks off my 87 gsxr400 as i cant seem to be able to get any stiffer springs for it to race with.
Do you have any springs for that bike please or would i have to go local winding (suggestions of where)please

http://www.nzspringworks.co.nz/page192379.html

http://www.pontiacracing.net/js_coil_spring_rate.htm

[nzspokes]

http://www.nzspringworks.co.nz/page192379.html

http://www.pontiacracing.net/js_coil_spring_rate.htm

Brilliant, great post. Will try them if I need springs in future which I will for my XR.

Shame retailers in NZ don't support them.

Oh the irony........

[Robert Taylor]

Brilliant, great post. Will try them if I need springs in future which I will for my XR.

Shame retailers in NZ don't support them.

Oh the irony........

Given the reservations that I have expressed from previous experience of others thats understandable. But go ahead, if they work long term and dont ''sack out'' then I am all ears.

If they are more expensive than what you have imported already then I guess you will be in a quandry, especially as you will also be paying gst

[kiwi cowboy]

Given the reservations that I have expressed from previous experience of others thats understandable. But go ahead, if they work long term and dont ''sack out'' then I am all ears.

If they are more expensive than what you have imported already then I guess you will be in a quandry, especially as you will also be paying gst

well im going to give them a go seeing as springs arnt available i have no choice.

[Madness]

Brilliant, great post. Will try them if I need springs in future which I will for my XR.

Shame retailers in NZ don't support them.

Oh the irony........

Perhaps it would have been intelligent to at least price a set of springs from them before making such a statement?

[Robert Taylor]

well im going to give them a go seeing as springs arnt available i have no choice.

Please let me know how they work and what the cost is

[Robert Taylor]

We have some other listings of fork springs that are in most cases listed at a higher price. ( Ohlins ) Why is this;

1) Superior grade silicon steel sourced from Germany or Sweden. No long term ''sacking out'' issues

2) The ''end conditions'' are very well processed. The very ends tuck round and touch the next coils, so that under tension they dont provide any unwanted progressivity. No sharp end eyes, nicely polished off

3) Tolerancing is very tight, you get the dimensioning and the rate as it is represented as. Many times we have tested aftermarket springs to find them up to a full rate increment out

4) And not unimportantly POLISHING FINISH. Thoroughbred aftermarket fork springs will have a very smooth polished finish. In most forks the spring is supported by the inner walls of the fork tube, to stop it barrelling sideways under compression. If the surface of the springs is rough ( evident on many aftermarket springs ) that creates unwanted friction. Also, any rough surfaces skidding against one another will remove small chards of wear particles that will find their way into the oil and into the valving stacks. Commonly you will see such chards embedded in the soft teflon coatings of fork bushings.

Cheap isnt always best

[kiwi cowboy]

Please let me know how they work and what the cost is

will see how they go.

Not sure where i will get them yet will have a talk to a few listed previously but i was fishing to see if you know of any springs suitable for the bike.

would look at emulators too.

[nzspokes]

By the way, my new springs are great.

[Robert Taylor]

will see how they go.

Not sure where i will get them yet will have a talk to a few listed previously but i was fishing to see if you know of any springs suitable for the bike.

would look at emulators too.

Sorry without sifting back through what is the make model and year again?And your height, weight and application? Often, in the absence of good research material / any direct listings we then ask the customer for the free length and outer diameter of the springs ( plus dimensions of any preload spacer tubes ) and then see if we can match anything.

[Robert Taylor]

By the way, my new springs are great.

Im sure they are, and Im also sure that you are laughing your head off that ( likely ) you paid no clearance and gst charges on them. Had you done the price disparity between buying them offshore and from a local supplier would be tiny. This is the exact problem that NZ retailers in general are so upset with the Government about, and rightly so. Its depriving these retailers of a chance to be competitive on price ( aside from majorly squeezed margins ) and its depriving the Government of much needed tax revenue that it would otherwise accrue. Its lengthening the unemployment queues and negatively impacting on YOUR standard of living.
But do you care about this big picture? I suspect I know the answer.

[Madness]

I suspect I know the answer.

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