Brainless Broads Babbling Bullshit!

[Headbanger]

What a copout.
How about answering the question with all your knowledge and training it should be a cinch.
The hill is not that steep but has a possibility of due ok?.

All of it, right over your head.

Nothing gets in at all does it?

[duckonin]

Im on a farm-its damp on the ground and i want to get up a steeper type hill that has a flat'er area on the ridge with a gully up either side.
I have to cross a colvit at the bottom and i have a spray tank on the quad full of spray for gorse up the hill further.

How would you handle the quad up the hill.

Huh easy, give it shit like most farmers/workers would or wait until the slope is dry of course that was (a joke). simple as 'using ones head, to work it out.

Seriously to ask a question like that is dumb, assessment is on the spot . Is it safe or should I approach this another way.

Quads will be left in the shed for a month soon, then we shall have another spat of tractor accidents to talk shit about.

[skippa1]

So you would walk 4 kms up the hill 6 times with 15 liters of spray on your back lol.
The sliding down would be fun though.

my backpack sprayer is 15litres.........edit* opppss I see that you mean 90 litres of spray.......ah fuck spraying it, cant you talk it into leaving?

[bogan]

Remain ignorant then, But don't consider that a position to talk utter shit.

I know I have pointed it out a number of times, But the investigations you call for have already been undertaken, resulting in the training and guidelines that you reject because you already know everything by virtue of your ignorance.

You've claimed it yes, but not given a link to where I can review the investigations. Tell you what, post one link to such investigations, I'll spend at least 5 mins reading it and either agree or point out the assumptions they make which imo invalidate the findings. Here's you chance to shine, to shut me up and prove to all the internet just what a smart guy you are, are you up to the challenge?

[Headbanger]

You've claimed it yes, but not given a link to where I can review the investigations. Tell you what, post one link to such investigations, I'll spend at least 5 mins reading it and either agree or point out the assumptions they make which imo invalidate the findings. Here's you chance to shine, to shut me up and prove to all the internet just what a smart guy you are, are you up to the challenge?

Heres your starting point, educate yourself. Get back to me when you have raised your level of understanding, Though you may need some life experience to give it some scope.

http://www.dol.govt.nz/workplace/knowledgebase/item/1391

http://www.osh.dol.govt.nz/law/quick...ningreps.shtml

[bogan]

Heres your starting point, educate yourself. Get back to me when you have raised your level of understanding, Though you may need some life experience to give it some scope.

http://www.dol.govt.nz/workplace/knowledgebase/item/1391

http://www.osh.dol.govt.nz/law/quick...ningreps.shtml

I think you copied the wrong links, neither of them mention anything about quad bike investigations.

[Headbanger]

I think you copied the wrong links, neither of them mention anything about quad bike investigations.

There is a lot you need to know to relieve yourself of your ignorance, start at the start, educate yourself.

Your internet challenge is as pathetic as it is pointless, If you want to learn then do so.

Clearly I don't have the investigations or reports, nor am I looking for them.

What we do have is the listing of common errors that cause incidents ,Provided by DOL (you know, the guys that invesigate incidents) in bullet form for easy understanding by the great unwashed.

• Speed – rushing and trying to do too much, too fast
• Driving too fast for the conditions, e.g. steep, wet, and rough ground
• Turning too sharply
• Misjudging the ATVs capabilities and limitations
• Overconfidence, complacency, and a lack of concentration
• Lack of knowledge, skill, and experience
• Neglecting ATV maintenance
• Use of incorrect tires
• Carrying passengers and cargo
• Overloading, uneven loading, and loads carried on slopes

Ways to protect yourself

• Wear a helmet
• Wear appropriate footwear
• Establish the safe routes and areas to ride an ATV
• Ensure that tracks and access-ways are maintained
• Avoid steep terrain
• Reduce speed to a safe and appropriate level for the conditions
• Complete a NZQA accredited training course to increase the driver’s knowledge, awareness, and skill level. Visit www.nzqa.govt.nz for more information.
• ATVs are not designed to carry passengers or cargo
• Children under 12 are not permitted to drive an ATV
• Children between 12 and 15 should not drive an ATV unless they are physically capable of controlling it, and have had training

[bogan]

Clearly I don't have the investigations or reports, nor am I looking for them.

And investigation reports and hard data are the only thing that will relieve us of our ignorance. You can tell a lot about the effectiveness of proposed legislation by the transparency of the data used to push it, and things are looking mighty murky from here. And no, I don't need to read a bunch of websites before I know how to interpret a report; using such sites as supplementary investigation once I have the report is likely though.

Looks like you'll have to work extra hard today to make up internet points for backing down from a challenge.

[ducatilover]

I'll poke my nose in.

I like training schemes, but that's just me.
The majority of quad bike accidents I've seen and known of (that's a lot, although I haven't crashed one...yet) have been rider error (stupid, non-thinking or drunk)
Katman also has a good point with poor quality upkeep on many farm bikes, I've seen plenty enough shitters to know that (one good time, a mudbug snapped in half on a flat road with my brother riding...)

That is all.

Oh, I believe the biggest cause in quad accidents is incompetence. Legislating moar safety stuff may help with recreational people, but then again... it may not do anything

[Banditbandit]

Ok katman her's a we scenario for you and hb.

Im on a farm-its damp on the ground and i want to get up a steeper type hill that has a flat'er area on the ridge with a gully up either side.
I have to cross a colvit at the bottom and i have a spray tank on the quad full of spray for gorse up the hill further.

How would you handle the quad up the hill.

Is the fully loaded spray tank on the front or rear of the quad? (It will make a difference)

[Headbanger]

And investigation reports and hard data are the only thing that will relieve us of our ignorance. You can tell a lot about the effectiveness of proposed legislation by the transparency of the data used to push it, and things are looking mighty murky from here. And no, I don't need to read a bunch of websites before I know how to interpret a report; using such sites as supplementary investigation once I have the report is likely though.

Looks like you'll have to work extra hard today to make up internet points for backing down from a challenge.

Go do an ATV course f you want to educate yourself on ATV's.

Thats not what you are after though, You have already dismissed training and advocated "shooting from the hip" instead. You have dismissed the actions from the investigations undertaken by people with real world expertise in this area based on the fact that didn't get to define or interpret the data.

And you think you have posted something of merit?

[Edbear]

I'll poke my nose in.

I like training schemes, but that's just me.
The majority of quad bike accidents I've seen and known of (that's a lot, although I haven't crashed one...yet) have been rider error (stupid, non-thinking or drunk)
Katman also has a good point with poor quality upkeep on many farm bikes, I've seen plenty enough shitters to know that (one good time, a mudbug snapped in half on a flat road with my brother riding...)

That is all.

Oh, I believe the biggest cause in quad accidents is incompetence. Legislating moar safety stuff may help with recreational people, but then again... it may not do anything

Very difficult to legislate for incompetence...

[bogan]

Go do an ATV course f you want to educate yourself on ATV's.

Thats not what you are after though, You have already dismissed training and advocated "shooting from the hip" instead. You have dismissed the actions from the investigations undertaken by people with real world expertise in this area based on the fact that didn't get to define or interpret the data.

And you think you have posted something of merit?

No wonder you don't want to read the investigation, if that is what you got from my posts you clearly have reading comprehension difficulties

[Banditbandit]

Fuck .. enough already - 13 pages of babbling bulshit about quads ...

Silly hat time ...

[Zedder]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1130462293]Fuck .. enough already - 13 pages of babbling bulshit about quads ...

Silly hat time ...

You idiot, far too much levity at this stage of proceedings!