Released Cancer prisioner dies

[yungatart]

No loss there- why are we even talking about this prick? He's not worth my time so I'll say no more.

[placidfemme]

No loss there- why are we even talking about this prick? He's not worth my time so I'll say no more.

Good to see you didn't waste your time reading this thread or replying to it

[onearmedbandit]

Placidfemme - out of curiosity would you be so forgiving if it was Sam who was attacked by this guy? I'm not trying to be an arsehole, just seeing how far your compassion goes.

[placidfemme]

Honestly... Proberly not. But it wasn't Sam. And who am I to condemn his whole family... and I never said I was forgiving towards him, nor did I say I condoned his actions, all I said was I thought it was good he went home to die with his family...

You want me to be in the shoes of the victim. Now put yourself in his families shoes (afterall they are victims too of his acts), if that was your father/mother/sister/brother/wife/husband/partner or child would you want them to die in prison without your love and support?

I've been looking at this from the families point of view not his own. I feel for his family. Like I said before, my mom died from cancer (only 3 years ago) and even if she had been a robber who beat someone to shit, I'd still want to be there for her when her time comes, and I'd want her out of jail too and at home.

I'm not going to judge him for what he did or did not do, thats not my place (in this instance anyway)

[onearmedbandit]

They could have my support in prison, if they had beat someone to within an inch of their life then they deserve to pay for it. Unfeeling? No, he choose to attack that person with an iron bar knowing full well the consequences he, and his family, would face. The victim did not choose to be attacked.

Should someone who has a terminal ailment be allowed to go out and murder, knowing that their condition will let them out early? Yes, I know the victim agreed to the early release but should that over-ride basic justice?

[James Deuce]

Honestly... Proberly not. But it wasn't Sam. And who am I to condemn his whole family... and I never said I was forgiving towards him, nor did I say I condoned his actions, all I said was I thought it was good he went home to die with his family...

You want me to be in the shoes of the victim. Now put yourself in his families shoes (afterall they are victims too of his acts), if that was your father/mother/sister/brother/wife/husband/partner or child would you want them to die in prison without your love and support?

I've been looking at this from the families point of view not his own. I feel for his family. Like I said before, my mom died from cancer (only 3 years ago) and even if she had been a robber who beat someone to shit, I'd still want to be there for her when her time comes, and I'd want her out of jail too and at home.

I'm not going to judge him for what he did or did not do, thats not my place (in this instance anyway)

I looked at it from the family's point of view too. Part of doing jail time IS the pain you put your family through, assuming that you aren't a member of one of NZ's family units that have made a 5 generation career out of crime and spinning the revolving doors at the front of our prisons.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Whatever heartbreak he caused his family he brought on himself and his own family, all by himself. He should have finished his sentence in jail. It was an opportunity to teach a few valuable lessons and the opportunity was spurned by the "do-gooder" ethic that has removed personal responsibility, consequences, and discipline from the lexicon of social engineering.

I'm tired of the child molesters, the rapists, the violent offenders, the murderers, the fraudsters, the burglars, the robbers, and the drug pushers being allowed to continue their careers with only minor interuptions of a couple of years here and there. A convicted felon's personal tragedy should not give them the opportunity to leave the prison system for even a minute no matter how "sad", or how much the family wants it, or what some nebulous, unenforced International treaty demands by way of "Human Rights". He fucked somebody up with an Iron bar for goodness sake. He has no "rights".

[Coyote]

Mixed feelings about this. Yay, the bastard died, but then he didn't face the consequences he desearved because of his crime, dying was too good for him

[Eurodave]

Karma 1 mindless thug 0

Saw a bumper sticker once:

"My Karma just overran your dogma"

[badlieutenant]

I think if the victim say its alright then thats its all good. However, should the victim be dead or not willing to give permission then its should be "sorry fulla, your going to die in your cell/bed"
oh and another thing (thread diversion) does anyone here really believe "justice" is served by incarceration ?? The best thing it does (prison) is isolate dangerous people from the community.
If "justice" worked there would be no re-offenders.
"Justice" is really the community punishing a person for an act in an attempt to adjust thier behaviour. It doesnt work but whats the alternative ? (ideas that would work not public beatings or hangings, unless it was on pay TV)(or painting WINJAS roof)

[texmo]

NO condolences to him or his family. It's just a shame our judicial system chose not to have the balls to let the bastard rot in prison. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Oh. HAng on this is New Zealand. Do the crime so you can go on benefits for the rest of your life and then pop back in to prison when it gets too hard by beating some other poor wage slave up.

I agree with Jim here aswell

[James Deuce]

I think if the victim say its alright then thats its all good. However, should the victim be dead or not willing to give permission then its should be "sorry fulla, your going to die in your cell/bed"
oh and another thing (thread diversion) does anyone here really believe "justice" is served by incarceration ?? The best thing it does (prison) is isolate dangerous people from the community.
If "justice" worked there would be no re-offenders.
"Justice" is really the community punishing a person for an act in an attempt to adjust thier behaviour. It doesnt work but whats the alternative ? (ideas that would work not public beatings or hangings, unless it was on pay TV)(or painting WINJAS roof)

The justice you are talking about is called rehabilitation.That costs a massive amount of money and is better spent at the top of the cliff, not the bottom.

Terribly sorry to hear that you have bought the line that punishment where due is a bad thing.

I don't agree that if the victim says it is OK then that makes his release OK. We have a Government and a set of Statutes that set laws, no individual Joe Blow saying, "Yeah No Worries". That approach to the victim was a bigger blow to justice than letting the prisoner with cancer out.

[WINJA]

HOPE THE CUNT SUFFERED TO THE LAST MINUTE , FUCK HIM, FUCK HIS BROTHER, AND FUCK HIS WHOLE FAMILY, IF HE WAS IN MY FAMILY WE WOULD NOT HAVE FORGIVEN HIM OR ACCEPTED HIM BACK

[MikeL]

So much anger.
Was death too good for him? Did he get off too lightly? Do you feel cheated?
"His problem" someone said.
No. Your problem.
Think about it.
Death is the great, final leveller.

[Skyryder]

This guy was done for aggrivated robberry. That's robbery with violence. I like to think I still have some compassion................but not for these fuckers.

Skyryder

[NotaGoth]

You know what I seriously think you all need to sit down and think about this cancer thing.

SURE he was put in jail for a reason but to die from Cancer then have you all start going on about karma ITS FUCKING PATHETIC!!!!!!!

Call me a bitch but I've sat and watched a good man who I loved with all my heart die from that shit, tell me what the hell did he do to derserve it????

Next thing you know you all may as well say that anyone who dies from it is getting "theirs back"

Last thing I have to say...

Try bringing karma into it after you watch someone YOU love die from cancer.