Forced licence progression

[FJRider]

Tell em to fuck off and get a 18+ card.

Problem solved!

But at 16 (now) they get photo ID. So shortsighted doormen at the clubs (that can't count) let them in.

Bar staff serve them 'cause the doormen let them in ... so they must be legit ..

[Zedder]

But at 16 (now) they get photo ID. So shortsighted doormen at the clubs (that can't count) let them in.

Bar staff serve them 'cause the doormen let them in ... so they must be legit ..

Nah FJR, it's the Gummint behind it all mate. They need the tax from the booze and they bribe the doormen to let punters in and also the bar staff to serve them.

Akzle told me so.

[FJRider]

Nah FJR, it's the Gummint behind it all mate. They need the tax from the booze and they bribe the doormen to let punters in and also the bar staff to serve them.

Akzle told me so.

Aaaahhhhh .. enlightenment.


Where would we be without Akzle ???

[scumdog]

Aaaahhhhh .. enlightenment.


Where would we be without Akzle ???

Akzaktly!

[Parlane]

Nah FJR, it's the Gummint behind it all mate. They need the tax from the booze and they bribe the doormen to let punters in and also the bar staff to serve them.

Akzle told me so.

Don't worry, they only let in 40% of the under-age drinkers.

[davereid]

Its called a drivers licence so obviously the intent of the document is as a record of your drivers licence.

Quite simple really...Was that the problem for you?

We already had a document that recorded our drivers licence. And it had your signature on it so you could prove you were you.

The photo drivers licence has an interesting history.

It was introduced a couple of years after Jenny Shipleys 'KiwiCard" ID card system was abandoned.

The Government and NZTA (Called LTSA then) were very embarrassed when Polariod announced they had the contract for NZ new ID Card system using the new polaroid system with 2D facial recognition.

Because it hadn't been mentioned publicly, after all we had only just bought and paid for our paper licences, and of course the kiwicard had been abandoned. But the new driver licence had all the features of the kiwicard, except a database to allow it to be shared inter-agency, had yet to be created.

By 1999 it was all over, in spite of the Privacy Commission calling it a universal ID card that will be demanded for every transaction, it got pushed through anyway. The AA didn't defend it, instead they got a contract to administer it.

The AA and LTSA/MOT were (are ?) very intertwined. Many AA Directors, and Management did time in MOT/NZTA and vice-versa so it was a predetermined outcome.


Once we got our shiny new licences, NZTA rolled out the database as originally designed for the kiwicard.

These systems called DLVS and DRIVERCHECK give access to the driver licence register to other government departments, banks, debt collectors etc.

It was purely an identity document. Even now over a dozen pieces of legislation refer to it as an identity document.

The next few years, it will quietly revert to a drivers licence, as the government has almost finished our new ID card system, "real me".

Decreasing the usage of the drivers license as ID is a necessary step in forcing people onto the "voluntary" real me system, and this proposal is a step in that direction, especially when considered in light of the new anti money laundering legislation which requires people to have approved ID for most transactions.

[scumdog]

We already had a document that recorded our drivers licence. And it had your signature on it so you could prove you were you.

The photo drivers licence has an interesting history.

It was introduced a couple of years after Jenny Shipleys 'KiwiCard" ID card system was abandoned.

The Government and NZTA (Called LTSA then) were very embarrassed when Polariod announced they had the contract for NZ new ID Card system using the new polaroid system with 2D facial recognition.

Because it hadn't been mentioned publicly, after all we had only just bought and paid for our paper licences, and of course the kiwicard had been abandoned. But the new driver licence had all the features of the kiwicard, except a database to allow it to be shared inter-agency, had yet to be created.

By 1999 it was all over, in spite of the Privacy Commission calling it a universal ID card that will be demanded for every transaction, it got pushed through anyway. The AA didn't defend it, instead they got a contract to administer it.

The AA and LTSA/MOT were (are ?) very intertwined. Many AA Directors, and Management did time in MOT/NZTA and vice-versa so it was a predetermined outcome.


Once we got our shiny new licences, NZTA rolled out the database as originally designed for the kiwicard.

These systems called DLVS and DRIVERCHECK give access to the driver licence register to other government departments, banks, debt collectors etc.

It was purely an identity document. Even now over a dozen pieces of legislation refer to it as an identity document.

The next few years, it will quietly revert to a drivers licence, as the government has almost finished our new ID card system, "real me".

Decreasing the usage of the drivers license as ID is a necessary step in forcing people onto the "voluntary" real me system, and this proposal is a step in that direction, especially when considered in light of the new anti money laundering legislation which requires people to have approved ID for most transactions.

How are the evil Govt going to cope with those that never bother to get a licence - or can't get one?
Or travel and constantly use an overseas one?

[AllanB]

Either I need a holiday or you are a knob.

Grow up and become a adult.

Fucking 8 years on a restricted ....... I supose you don't bother with warrents as you know better too?


Frankly with the shit driving in NZ we should all have to resit or do a refresher every 10 years. I'd bound to fail over some rule change I've missed in the past 30 years.

[Laava]

Boo frikken hoo! If you can't pass something so simple in 5yrs, don't drive!
How do you get by in the rest of life?

Not aimed at anyone in particular, just amazed that people are complaining about it being a time constraint.

[davereid]

How are the evil Govt going to cope with those that never bother to get a licence - or can't get one?
Or travel and constantly use an overseas one?

The "real me" ID card system. The driver licence was a ten year patch, and it has done its dash.

[red mermaid]

Oh there's a lamp post, quick I see a govt conspiracy behind it.

You mention driverchek and then make up a story about it telling the half truth to make it sound better.

Heres a half truth about...any business who wants to pay gets access.

We already had a document that recorded our drivers licence. And it had your signature on it so you could prove you were you.

The photo drivers licence has an interesting history.

It was introduced a couple of years after Jenny Shipleys 'KiwiCard" ID card system was abandoned.

The Government and NZTA (Called LTSA then) were very embarrassed when Polariod announced they had the contract for NZ new ID Card system using the new polaroid system with 2D facial recognition.

Because it hadn't been mentioned publicly, after all we had only just bought and paid for our paper licences, and of course the kiwicard had been abandoned. But the new driver licence had all the features of the kiwicard, except a database to allow it to be shared inter-agency, had yet to be created.

By 1999 it was all over, in spite of the Privacy Commission calling it a universal ID card that will be demanded for every transaction, it got pushed through anyway. The AA didn't defend it, instead they got a contract to administer it.

The AA and LTSA/MOT were (are ?) very intertwined. Many AA Directors, and Management did time in MOT/NZTA and vice-versa so it was a predetermined outcome.


Once we got our shiny new licences, NZTA rolled out the database as originally designed for the kiwicard.

These systems called DLVS and DRIVERCHECK give access to the driver licence register to other government departments, banks, debt collectors etc.

It was purely an identity document. Even now over a dozen pieces of legislation refer to it as an identity document.

The next few years, it will quietly revert to a drivers licence, as the government has almost finished our new ID card system, "real me".

Decreasing the usage of the drivers license as ID is a necessary step in forcing people onto the "voluntary" real me system, and this proposal is a step in that direction, especially when considered in light of the new anti money laundering legislation which requires people to have approved ID for most transactions.

[bogan]

Heres a half truth about...any business who wants to pay gets access.

Which only confirms it's a lot more than just a simple drivers license.

Though thats neither here nor there with regards to this topic as its government forcing people off the license, or to progress. Which is fine by me as the tests are far too easy anyway (fail quotas being a different issue).

Another point (I don't know if anyone has brought up) is the other classes, like HT (or to a lesser extent motorcycle), which take while to get, and need an uncommon vehicle type. Could imagine there would be a few people who start licensing a class like HT when they are working with them, then change jobs, but still keep their general roadcraft skills up to date; doesn't seem there should be any reason to revoke the work they have already done on getting a license. 5 years should be long enough, but I wouldn't be surprised if they bring it in at 5 years, then drop it back to 2 a few years down the track.

[FJRider]

How are the evil Govt going to cope with those that never bother to get a licence - or can't get one?
Or travel and constantly use an overseas one?

To issue a stand-alone New Zealand photo ID card to ALL citizens (School age and above is used overseas). With re-issue required in similar time frames to the drivers license. With a requirement for it to be carried at ALL times. Automatic arrest and/or heavy fines for those that don't carry it.

The more that flout the current system ... the more likely it will happen.

[red mermaid]

No it doesn't because I only told a half truth so it can therefore be twisted to mean anything you want, which you have so very kindly done.

Which only confirms it's a lot more than just a simple drivers license.

Though thats neither here nor there with regards to this topic as its government forcing people off the license, or to progress. Which is fine by me as the tests are far too easy anyway (fail quotas being a different issue).

Another point (I don't know if anyone has brought up) is the other classes, like HT (or to a lesser extent motorcycle), which take while to get, and need an uncommon vehicle type. Could imagine there would be a few people who start licensing a class like HT when they are working with them, then change jobs, but still keep their general roadcraft skills up to date; doesn't seem there should be any reason to revoke the work they have already done on getting a license. 5 years should be long enough, but I wouldn't be surprised if they bring it in at 5 years, then drop it back to 2 a few years down the track.

[bogan]

No it doesn't because I only told a half truth so it can therefore be twisted to mean anything you want, which you have so very kindly done.

Actually no, the truth is so obvious even half of it shows what it means. If the DL is use by more than just transport agencies as you have just said, then it is more than just license to operate a vehicle; pretty simple really. Whether that fact has any bearing on the current topic is less clear cut.