There’s more to life than a university course

[Zedder]

Agreed, if you want to go to uni because you know what you want to do and the piece of paper will help you, go for it. I have met a few people who did BA's etc because they found it 'interesting' like it was a fucking hobby and break from the real world lol.





-Indy

So what if people go to University because it interests them? I've met BA grads who are making good money and I've also met guys who started one degree but changed it for something "more interesting". The real world of Uni is study and exams etc not a hobby.

[bogan]

So what if people go to University because it interests them? I've met BA grads who are making good money and I've also met guys who started one degree but changed it for something "more interesting". The real world of Uni is study and exams etc not a hobby.

This is where a good careers adviser is required. Its best for everyone if you get a job in an area you find interesting, and furthering you education in said area helps you get a job. But, the likelyhood and details about such jobs at the end of the degrees should be covered in great detail.

[Zedder]

This is where a good careers adviser is required. Its best for everyone if you get a job in an area you find interesting, and furthering you education in said area helps you get a job. But, the likelyhood and details about such jobs at the end of the degrees should be covered in great detail.

True Bogan. It certainly makes sense to have a job that's interesting and pays well.

[Indiana_Jones]

So what if people go to University because it interests them? I've met BA grads who are making good money and I've also met guys who started one degree but changed it for something "more interesting". The real world of Uni is study and exams etc not a hobby.

I have no issue with people who want to do that and pay for it. What I don't want is someone taking out a loan from the tax payer for something they're doing just for kicks and nothing else.

No issue with people changing a degree etc, stuff like that happens.

And as for study and exams, yes of course the people who want to do well will knuckle down and get on it with. But I have met and see so many drop kicks in my class who turn up, watch youtube on their laptops and leave the lecture after 15 mins. Come test time 4 of them wrote their names on the test paper and handed it back to the lecturer

-Indy

[Hitcher]

What he said... Hitcher, of all people on here, I expect you to be able to think a bit more logical than that

More "logical" than what? If you disagree with anything I've written, I won't be upset.

[Banditbandit]

I have no issue with people who want to do that and pay for it. What I don't want is someone taking out a loan from the tax payer for something they're doing just for kicks and nothing else.

No issue with people changing a degree etc, stuff like that happens.

And as for study and exams, yes of course the people who want to do well will knuckle down and get on it with. But I have met and see so many drop kicks in my class who turn up, watch youtube on their laptops and leave the lecture after 15 mins. Come test time 4 of them wrote their names on the test paper and handed it back to the lecturer

-Indy

Yeaup .. I've had students in class who fucked around and when I asked them what they were doing it my class it appeared that they were too young to get the dole ... but if they enrolled in a class they got student loans and allowances ... not a good reason to be there ... and they piss me off too ..

The thing is - they have to pay the loan back .. and it will come back to bite them later ..

[imdying]

More "logical" than what? If you disagree with anything I've written, I won't be upset.

You've over extended, I think, in your extrapolation of what the flow on effect of such a report will be. Just a little too absurd to be logical in this case.

[yungatart]

I'm not sure I agree .. I think that might be a good thing. The level 1-2 courses tend to be at what I think of as fifth and six form (Is that Year 11 and 12?) .. and a lot are for numeracy and literacy ... having worked at that kind of level, tertiary education is being asked to clean up the messes left by the fucked up high school teachers ... tertiary education should be about extenting people from high school .. maybe in terms of job training or in terms of extended study into academia ... Tertiary education should not be teaching numeracy and literacy - it is forced into this situatuiion becase secondary schools have failed to teach some people to read and write ..

Sadly, you are correct. The schools have failed with numeracy and literacy and tertiary institutions were forced to incorporate this into their existing higher level courses to try and sort out this problem. This is now being handed back to those that screwed it up in the beginning (probably quite rightly so!), the secondary schools.
This leaves higher education with a shortfall in students and funding options.



Either way, high schools need a boot up the arse with regards to their output. Back to the three R's!

So secondary schools have mucked it up? Those kids who come to secondary school, unable to read and write, count past 10 and sit in a chair for more than 5 minutes at a time have already had 8 years of formal education where those basic things should have been learned. So maybe the failure is a primary school one, or perhaps our pre schools aren't up to scratch? What about our parents?
Many is the child who is failing at school because there is a history of errors on the part of all involved with raising that child. Don't blame the secondary schools...the failures happen long before they even get there!
Rant over...as you were...

[imdying]

Agreed. I could read, write, and do algebra (albeit basic) before high school. But then, my parents made sure of that.

[superjackal]

University certainly used to be an interest based system of education rather than rankings and money.

Sadly, the whole thing is geared towards money and more worryingly, elitism thanks to the USA "waking" up TPTB to saving money and user pays kicking in.

You're right on the money thing. I've looked into completing a degree recently. I finished my studies 15 years ago and guess what, you can't cross credit any quals older than 10 years!

Why you ask? Because they can't sell you a course if you can cross-credit it.

So, anyone with quals older than 10yrs? Sorry, not recognised...

Huh????

[Hitcher]

You've over extended, I think, in your extrapolation of what the flow on effect of such a report will be. Just a little too absurd to be logical in this case.

That's the whole point of reductio ad absurdum, unless I'm mistaken.

[Swoop]

So secondary schools have mucked it up? So maybe the failure is a primary school one, or perhaps our pre schools aren't up to scratch? What about our parents?
Many is the child who is failing at school because there is a history of errors on the part of all involved with raising that child. Don't blame the secondary schools...the failures happen long before they even get there!

So, allowing people to fall through the gaps is acceptable? Each level should be doing their job and passing on capable students BUT at the end of the day the secondary schools should be sorting this stuff out prior to a student leaving school to get a job or go on to higher education.

I think this is exactly what is going to be happening... very soon.

[Ocean1]

So, allowing people to fall through the gaps is acceptable?

It is when the alternative is to have teachers short change the 90% who are capable of learning that subject at that level.

There's always those who can't quite get it, and most primary and secondary teachers I know do spend a bit more time with them if they think that's all it'll take. But we all know that some of those who aren't performing at that level never will, either they simply can't do it or in some cases they don't want to do it.

You can force that last group to learn, at least i reckon you can, but the kids in question would be the tip of a huge iceburg of objections to that.

[imdying]

That's the whole point of reductio ad absurdum, unless I'm mistaken.

You are quite correct, just that in this instance it was absurd enough to dilute your argument to far, IMO.

[Banditbandit]

It is when the alternative is to have teachers short change the 90% who are capable of learning that subject at that level.

There's always those who can't quite get it, and most primary and secondary teachers I know do spend a bit more time with them if they think that's all it'll take. But we all know that some of those who aren't performing at that level never will, either they simply can't do it or in some cases they don't want to do it.

You can force that last group to learn, at least i reckon you can, but the kids in question would be the tip of a huge iceburg of objections to that.

Fuck .. I can't believe that you writing off childen at PRIMARY SCHOOL ... sure there are a few with learning diasbilities .. but primary school children ??? to sugegst there are primary school children who are not "capable of learning at that level" ... !!!!

Sure there might be motivational issues - but that's down to the skill of the teacher ... who should not be writing these children off .. that's part of the reason these chldren become problem adults ... to suggest they "can't" is a total cope out on the teacher's part .. and the type of fuck ups teaching in our classrooms I hate - because they create problems that people like me are expected to solve at tertiay level ...