Indian rape issue

[HenryDorsetCase]

I thought it was about time we declared a Republic ...

just to take up that point, I am theoretically all in favour of a republic. Even (given our population base) a US style system with very clear checks and balances between the executive, legislative and judicial roles. We wouldnt need a bicameral system or the electoral college or any of that malarkey. The other thing we dont need in my view is political parties. direct election of representatives by the electorate. Also, of course the franchise should be limited to those with skin in the game: so property ownership is qualification for franchise.

That's that sorted. The constitutional monarchy is troubling though. Its history is one of oppression, and I personally find the massive personal wealth engendered from that system quite troubling. Sure it is glossed over and veneered with "Oh, its traditional", and "Oh, isn't the Queen great" and "Oh, the tourists love it" and "Oh look at the pretty ponies and the carriage and the dudes with the funny hats". So, sure, get rid of it here in our nuclear free south pacific paradise. We all like the illusion of democracy, so we create a republic. Who is our President? i.e. who do we replace as titular head of state? Thats where your problem sits, right? because of the very very small talent pool in this country, and the often appalling calibre of our politicians then finding someone to fill the role might be an issue. I suppose persons who were Governors-General might be OK: Jerry Mataparae for example or Anand Satyanand.

Your thoughts callers?

[unstuck]

Brian Tamiki for president.

[Clockwork]

just to take up that point, I am theoretically all in favour of a republic. Even (given our population base) a US style system with very clear checks and balances between the executive, legislative and judicial roles. We wouldnt need a bicameral system or the electoral college or any of that malarkey. The other thing we dont need in my view is political parties. direct election of representatives by the electorate. Also, of course the franchise should be limited to those with skin in the game: so property ownership is qualification for franchise.

That's that sorted. The constitutional monarchy is troubling though. Its history is one of oppression, and I personally find the massive personal wealth engendered from that system quite troubling. Sure it is glossed over and veneered with "Oh, its traditional", and "Oh, isn't the Queen great" and "Oh, the tourists love it" and "Oh look at the pretty ponies and the carriage and the dudes with the funny hats". So, sure, get rid of it here in our nuclear free south pacific paradise. We all like the illusion of democracy, so we create a republic. Who is our President? i.e. who do we replace as titular head of state? Thats where your problem sits, right? because of the very very small talent pool in this country, and the often appalling calibre of our politicians then finding someone to fill the role might be an issue. I suppose persons who were Governors-General might be OK: Jerry Mataparae for example or Anand Satyanand.

Your thoughts callers?

You are only going to get the likes of Jerry Mataparae or Anand Satyanand if the post is politically appointed, but of course we'd (th' pepul) would demand that the post was democratically elected, in which case we'd end up with the likes of our pollies in the job. Frankly I can't think of one of that lot that I'd like to see as our head of state.

[Swoop]

We cant grow Bananas here, so there goes the only form of republic this govt could run.

I don't believe so. From previous political decisions over many decades, we have ample evidence that NZ really meets the criteria for being a Banana Republic...
About the only thing lacking are military parades and politicians wearing a bit of uniform on a regular basis. Once we get that though...

[rebel]

And every day, their numbers build in our country, and they bring with them their attitudes and inbuilt behaviours.

London now has a less than 50% anglo saxon population base, and in some areas fuckwit islamist types are attempting to impose sharia type laws, imagine if the english had mmp as a political system.....

THERE ARE MUSLIM CONTROLED AREAS IN PARIS WHERE THE POLICE WILL NOT GO!!!!!

MMP will eventually give power to the asian and third world rubbish flooding into our country, our population is too small to resist what is coming if we do not get rid of MMP

Oh the irony, the biggest supporters of such scum flooding into our countries, are the fuckwit left libtards, many man hating femi-nazis. Fact is these hypocritical bitches hate white western men and traditional family values. I would like to see each and everyone of them walk down a dark alley in Muslim infested areas of Ansterdam, London, Paris Brussels etc to experience the reality of the diversity they desire and promote. The are oh so silent everytime an African Arab Indian etc with no respect for women or our culture/values commits a sexual assult on a woman, some first hand experience might change their tune.

[Banditbandit]

That's that sorted. The constitutional monarchy is troubling though. Its history is one of oppression, and I personally find the massive personal wealth engendered from that system quite troubling. Sure it is glossed over and veneered with "Oh, its traditional", and "Oh, isn't the Queen great" and "Oh, the tourists love it" and "Oh look at the pretty ponies and the carriage and the dudes with the funny hats". So, sure, get rid of it here in our nuclear free south pacific paradise. We all like the illusion of democracy, so we create a republic. Who is our President? i.e. who do we replace as titular head of state? Thats where your problem sits, right? because of the very very small talent pool in this country, and the often appalling calibre of our politicians then finding someone to fill the role might be an issue. I suppose persons who were Governors-General might be OK: Jerry Mataparae for example or Anand Satyanand.

Your thoughts callers?

So you favour a hereditary system drawing on a very shallow gene pool of the Euopean Royal Families over a meritocracy or democratic election of presidents?

"Titular Heads of State" are not really there by divine right - they are there by the legitimation processes of the people . "Some watery tart distributing swords is no mandate for executive authority" (The peasents are revolting)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh the irony, the biggest supporters of such scum flooding into our countries, are the fuckwit left libtards, many man hating femi-nazis. Fact is these hypocritical bitches hate white western men and traditional family values. I would like to see each and everyone of them walk down a dark alley in Muslim infested areas of Ansterdam, London, Paris Brussels etc to experience the reality of the diversity they desire and promote. The are oh so silent everytime an African Arab Indian etc with no respect for women or our culture/values commits a sexual assult on a woman, some first hand experience might change their tune.

I dunno, man. You're not doing yourself any favours.

[unstuck]

Yeah, I dont think wishing someone to get raped is the way forward somehow.

[HenryDorsetCase]

So you favour a hereditary system drawing on a very shallow gene pool of the Euopean Royal Families over a meritocracy or democratic election of presidents?

"Titular Heads of State" are not really there by divine right - they are there by the legitimation processes of the people . "Some water tart distributing swords is no mandate for executive authority" (The peasents are revolting)

don't undersetimate my apathy on the issue.

but since I am a fairly militant atheist, I completely agree with you as to the absence of divine right.

I see it as two fairly unattractive options: the hereditary system, which as you say draws on a shallow gene pool, vs some sort of populist popularity contest. Neither are that attractive.

Democracy in its purest (so Athens and the senate and whatnot) form won't work either: well, it works for land (and slave) owning men, but it misses a few fairly significant groups who today would be interest groups.

Why can't we all just get along? People are people, mostly. Some good, some bad, and fundamentally fairly similar.

[rebel]

I dunno, man. You're not doing yourself any favours.

You're right, reading that again I worded it wrong. I wouldn't like to see anyone walk down a Muslim infested alleyway, but as they say some people may need to learn the hard way before waking up.

[Paul in NZ]

Gleep - this is all going horribly wrong and doing as much to demonstrate what a bunch of plonkers we are as much as anything else.

I don't think the indian rape issue is anything to do with religion but rather its an economic / cultural thing. Too many men with too much time on their hands coupled with a relatively corrupt law enforcement etc. Same can be said for a lot of Islamic countries - general lawlessness rather than a lack of legal protection.

The illustration I was using was that of the picture in the stuff article which showed a group of men standing around with feck all to do when they should have been at work. On reflection their job possibly WAS to stand about and gawp gormlessly and mildly threateningly at cameras taking pictures of a woman protesting.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Gleep - this is all going horribly wrong and doing as much to demonstrate what a bunch of plonkers we are as much as anything else.

I don't think the indian rape issue is anything to do with religion but rather its an economic / cultural thing. Too many men with too much time on their hands coupled with a relatively corrupt law enforcement etc. Same can be said for a lot of Islamic countries - general lawlessness rather than a lack of legal protection.

The illustration I was using was that of the picture in the stuff article which showed a group of men standing around with feck all to do when they should have been at work. On reflection their job possibly WAS to stand about and gawp gormlessly and mildly threateningly at cameras taking pictures of a woman protesting.

they were the "secret" police.....

[Paul in NZ]

they were the "secret" police.....

No I think they were the undercover thugs....

[Genestho]

Found it interesting when I lived in Aus to see Muslims flood into the Gold coast during winter, their women in Burqa's with metal muzzles over their mouths while their men with the scary dull black eyes filmed western women on the beaches - sometimes bold enough to come right up to girls sunbathing and getting in their space, rather intimidating!!

[300weatherby]

Gleep - this is all going horribly wrong and doing as much to demonstrate what a bunch of plonkers we are as much as anything else.

I don't think the indian rape issue is anything to do with religion but rather its an economic / cultural thing. Too many men with too much time on their hands coupled with a relatively corrupt law enforcement etc. Same can be said for a lot of Islamic countries - general lawlessness rather than a lack of legal protection.

The illustration I was using was that of the picture in the stuff article which showed a group of men standing around with feck all to do when they should have been at work. On reflection their job possibly WAS to stand about and gawp gormlessly and mildly threateningly at cameras taking pictures of a woman protesting.

We have a few of the rubbish level indians moved into a couple of the multi unit rental blocks we are unfortunate enough to have in our area. Didn't even know they were there untill the indian rubbish moved in, 10 to a two bedroom flat, hanging around on the street, literally stinking out their immediate area with whatever gargage it is that they actually cook. Stinking rubbish left to pile up around their units, some left lying on the street when the rubbish collection won't take it, You should watch the way they look at the women that have to walk past them, you can read on them what they are, my dog hates them, and l didn't coach him to, they fuck off out of it when l walk through them, caus like all bully in a group wankers, they recognise simmering rage about to explode all over them, We have had one incident when one of them got smart to the wife as she walked past them with our little Sydney Silky, dumb fucks hadn't clicked that the bloke with the big German Shepherd that walked past a minute before, was with her - she called out to me and I returned pronto.

Won't bore you with the details, sufice to say they think I am completely off my trolley, and they don't want a bar of me. Anyone on here that knows me will understand why.

That incident coupled with the news and net information, and their basic history as people, has irretreivably coloured my perception of them, we do not need this rubbish in our country. A shame the politically correct, bleeding heart dogooder, self emasculating morons that think we should all get along, and that we should sacrifice such culture and heritage we have to bend over for others, do not realise,

THEY WILL NOT DO THE SAME FOR US.