Points scale

[jellywrestler]

Points Scale :1st 25 2nd 20 3rd 16 4th 13 5th 11 6th 10 7th 9 8th 8 9th 7 10th 6
11th 5 12th 4 13th 3 14th 2 15th 1


The points scale is listed above, what's the general consensus out there on the scores, happy with the way it is or got other ideas?

[budda]

Points Scale :1st 25 2nd 20 3rd 16 4th 13 5th 11 6th 10 7th 9 8th 8 9th 7 10th 6
11th 5 12th 4 13th 3 14th 2 15th 1


The points scale is listed above, what's the general consensus out there on the scores, happy with the way it is or got other ideas?

Thanks Spyda ...........

[scott411]

Points Scale :1st 25 2nd 20 3rd 16 4th 13 5th 11 6th 10 7th 9 8th 8 9th 7 10th 6
11th 5 12th 4 13th 3 14th 2 15th 1


The points scale is listed above, what's the general consensus out there on the scores, happy with the way it is or got other ideas?

the MX points scale is 25-22-20-18-16-15-14-13- etc down to 20th gets 1 point,

I actually like the road race one better, puts more on winning, and much easier to come back from a DNF and still win a series,

[Mental Trousers]

I'd rather see everyone who finishes get a single point. Not crashing out or having a mechancial should actually be worth something.

[roogazza]

I could be wrong but I seem to remember it was 10 for a win in the olden days ? If true that would seem to be a good idea with the 10 or 12 in most races today.
(or do we want a Helen Clark NZ with points for just being there?)

[neil_cb125t]

Points Scale :1st 25 2nd 20 3rd 16 4th 13 5th 11 6th 10 7th 9 8th 8 9th 7 10th 6
11th 5 12th 4 13th 3 14th 2 15th 1


The points scale is listed above, what's the general consensus out there on the scores, happy with the way it is or got other ideas?

Interestingly VMCC and PMCC and even the tri series don't run this system, is it run at the nats? The system in place is 25 for 1st, 22 for 2nd. I think 1st place should be at least 5 points ahead of 2nd.

How about 5 points for qualifying on pole position..... In Car racing being on pole is a huge advantage, on bikes pole only gives you less than half a bike length.....0.7m most cases 2nd on the grid puts you a bit wider which is better for T1 anyway. Setting pole is pretty wicked, be nice to give a rider a real reward for it.

[Pumba]

We could turn the whole point system on its head. For Water Ski Racing we used a point system taht awarded 1000 points to the winner, the remianing points there after were calculated based on how close you were to the finishing skiier.

An example (beraing in mind that all the figures are made up) is the winner got 1000 points. If you wer only 2sec back you could walk away with 997.65 points, 3rd place might have been 10sec and only gets 950 etc, etc. Generally being laped equated to -100points in the calculations.

Maybe it would not work for bikes, as it may not encourgae people to pass, although if it is the same guy beating you every round he is still going to win. What it would encourgae is those that may be furtehr down the field to keep pushing hard untill the end to remain close to the leading pack to maximise there points.

Just somthing to think about. Which I presume this thread was about.

[Mental Trousers]

(or do we want a Helen Clark NZ with points for just being there?)

Points for starting is shit. Points for actually finishing I can see the point of.

I think 1st place should be at least 5 points ahead of 2nd.

Definitely.

How about 5 points for qualifying on pole position..... In Car racing being on pole is a huge advantage, on bikes pole only gives you less than half a bike length.....0.7m most cases 2nd on the grid puts you a bit wider which is better for T1 anyway. Setting pole is pretty wicked, be nice to give a rider a real reward for it.

Nah. I've always looked at qualifying in terms of what row I'm on. Anywhere on the front row is what I want. Qualifying first is bragging rights.

Not that I'll ever qualify first, I'm usually still half asleep until AFTER the first session haha

[neil_cb125t]

Nah. I've always looked at qualifying in terms of what row I'm on. Anywhere on the front row is what I want. Qualifying first is bragging rights. Not that I'll ever qualify first, I'm usually still half asleep until AFTER the first session haha

Hmmmm it is a competition after all - giving every one points for finishing just creates "inflation" meaning if everyone get one, why dish them out? If you don't finish/dnf you get 0, there's not normally enough competitors in each class to make it all the way down for a competitor to receive 0 points for finishing.

My view is that within championships we want a more professional approach, riders are trying to obtain sponsors and support because they are aiming for pole, bringing in the trophies.

Now what the go cart fellas do is start reverse grid and you get points for passing/moving up the order... thats pretty sweet!!

[budda]

Hmmmm it is a competition after all - giving every one points for finishing just creates "inflation" meaning if everyone get one, why dish them out? If you don't finish/dnf you get 0, there's not normally enough competitors in each class to make it all the way down for a competitor to receive 0 points for finishing.
My view is that within championships we want a more professional approach, riders are trying to obtain sponsors and support because they are aiming for pole, bringing in the trophies.

Now what the go cart fellas do is start reverse grid and you get points for passing/moving up the order... thats pretty sweet!!

Agree with the first paragraph. as for the next one - what the hell is the problem here - this is REAL WORLD RACING, not bloody Playstation ! Its NOT about who set the fastest time, its about WHO BEAT THE MAN, otherwise it would all be sorted at qualifying, wouldnt it .... maybe we shouldreverse handicap the field based on Qualifying Time differences x the number of laps, imagine the hand-wringing then !!!!!!!!!!!

[neil_cb125t]

Agree with the first paragraph. as for the next one - what the hell is the problem here - this is REAL WORLD RACING, not bloody Playstation ! Its NOT about who set the fastest time, its about WHO BEAT THE MAN, otherwise it would all be sorted at qualifying, wouldnt it

Yep, it aint over till the black and white flag swings, however if we don't put pole on a pedestal, why have qualifying? Is it simply a safety aspect.. having quicker guys ahead of slower guys?

Again my club level racing experience tells me qualifying is all we racers get to be on pace, we have no practice, therefore I need to be as quick as I can as soon as I can.

When you look at GP or WSB, pole shows that the rider has made his bike setup and himself better than everyone else and work for one whole lap. Winning a race in WSB/GP shows that the team made the right predictions with regards to tire wear/bike setup so it could be fast for 30 laps.

We the club riders are lucky to have more than 6 laps. Tire wear, fuel, rider fatigue shouldn't really come into it.....so we must qualify well or get smashed to bits in T1.

[neil_cb125t]

maybe we shouldreverse handicap the field based on Qualifying Time differences x the number of laps, imagine the hand-wringing then !!!!!!!!!!!

lets do it!

[Mental Trousers]

Hmmmm it is a competition after all - giving every one points for finishing just creates "inflation" meaning if everyone get one, why dish them out? If you don't finish/dnf you get 0, there's not normally enough competitors in each class to make it all the way down for a competitor to receive 0 points for finishing.

It's a damn shame there aren't enough racers to be awarding points all the way down.

But awarding points attracts riders and sponsors. Points scoring ride is something all sponsors want to hear.

Points for Qualifying is worse than points for finishing if you ask me. The guy who qualifies first and then loops it at turn 1/lap 1 hasn't completed the race and the race is what it's all about.

[neil_cb125t]

Points for Qualifying is worse than points for finishing if you ask me. The guy who qualifies first and then loops it at turn 1/lap 1 hasn't completed the race and the race is what it's all about.

yep I do agree there....

however how many times have you seen that happen

[Mental Trousers]

yep I do agree there....

however how many times have you seen that happen

That applies to all qualifying positions, not just first. But that's also why I reckon all finishers should get at least a point.