Why work? A couple from the UK asks

[mashman]

They are not completely stupid in the sense that they've done the maths, and yes, whyshould they take a more arduous path if they don't have to?

That's where the system is obviously failing. There must be rehabilitation into work schemes which ends the never ending hand feeding of people lke that.

Sometimes, you have to force people to be morally ethical about their choices.

Give, but put a freakin deadline on it, with either work or education towards work at the end of the benefit period.

Sorry if I'm being over simplistic here, but surely there has got to be some logic applied somewhere when you take money from some to hand it to others.

Fuck it, in for a penny in for a pound. Why does there need to be an expiry date? For example. There are 900 jobs and 1000 people. Even if you rotate the entire 1000 people (a potential solution for you?), there are only ever going to be 900 jobs. If 900 people are happy enough to do the work, where's the harm in leaving those who won't/don't work if there aren't enough jobs? Irrespective of how you slice it or dice it, the tax payer will still be paying for 100 people who aren't in work due to there not being in a job for them. Now take that and apply it to their situation and look at the numbers. 2.5 million people, 5 people for every job, meaning there's 500,000 jobs available. What are the odds, given that you have no quals etc... that they're going to find work that pays better than the dole?

That may be a tad over simplistic, but that's how the world is.

[oldrider]

The age of "entitlement" .... beats "earning" any day .... they said it and the system backs them! Tis the modern way!

[mashman]

The age of "entitlement" .... beats "earning" any day .... they said it and the system backs them! Tis the modern way!

Oh the reality of it all.

[Gremlin]

Remove the Job Seekers Allowance, as they clearly aren't bothering to use it to find gainful employment. See how their sums stack up when they lose 5700 pounds a year

The problem I have, is that those that are willing to work to get ahead, have to subsidise these lazy arses that think they are entitled to freeload on the rest of society. Try that a couple of hundred years ago and you got run out of town (assuming you survived the stoning). If you're not contributing, then you shouldn't be benefitting.

No problem with the benefit being a stop gap for temporary issues, it's society helping you because you helped everyone else. Don't make it a fucken career because you have some misguided sense you earned it (or hell, because your parents earned it - how does that logic work for your kids?)

[Brian d marge]

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... at least they're not shoplifting.

plus one , pissed meself

Stephen

Tis be the system thats broken tis be arrrrr ( insert pirate inflections ) , I dont blame em at all me heartys , if you need X and in a dead end job you get 1/8th of X , go for it , take the kings coin ...haahaaarrr
The Nice mr key is doing a fine Job , and his shitmates are paying themselves from the booty Arrrrggg

And when the boat springs a leak , they give em all bonuses hahahaaaaarrrr ( try that on the dole )

Stephen

[PrincessBandit]

The age of "entitlement" .... beats "earning" any day .... they said it and the system backs them! Tis the modern way!

Sad to say you're right on the money (no pun intended). I was going to say 'generations are being bred with that sense of "the world/my parents/my grandparents/the government/insert source of your choice" owes me (can be rephrased as "I'm entitled...") Then I realised that there have always been those generations throughout history; nothing has actually changed. Except that it probably (hedging my bets here) tended to be the wealthy classes with money, from whatever source it came, that felt that sense of entitlement to their inheritance. I'm sure there were also those of the upper classes who did actually work for their dosh too, but we're talking about the magical "e" word - entitlement.

The thing that sticks in my craw about that couple in the OP article is that it's not just their parents who are propping them up in their "entitlement". It's ordinary tax payers contributing to their lifestyle choice. I'd have no issue whatsoever if the parents of those two bludgers were the sole support of them, and their offspring (of which there are bound to be more to come). No, people who owe those two absolutely NOTHING are supporting their lifestyle. Oldrider, you are so right: the system back 'em; it is the modern way.

One can only hope that people such as these are in the minority of society. There will always be people who struggle for money, including the working poor (thanks Jacinda for bringing that phrase back to peoples' awareness) who would rather work when they could be financially better of by bludging, but to gloat about it...

[Grizzo]

Fuck me, talk about bottom of the gene pool

[unstuck]

Fuck that. This is my 4th day of unemployment, and I am bored shitless already. I know guy down here that have been on the dole for fucking years, and no one seems to be making them get jobs either, must pay well though because they all have flatscreen tvs and playstations and shit.

[SMOKEU]

It looks like they have more in common with Maoris than we first thought.

[Ocean1]

There must be rehabilitation into work schemes which ends the never ending hand feeding of people lke that.

They actually are genuinely disadvantaged, the dole option was there right through their upbringing and education, even then providing reassurance that if they failed in anything they'd still be OK. If they'd been introduced to real world cause and effect examples 10 years ago they may well have been a bit more motivated to achieve.

That may be a tad over simplistic, but that's how the world is.

It's not simplistic at all. But you wheel that out every chance you get, and it's just plain wrong.

If they can't get a job paying what they want it's because they want too much, same as most of the dole bludgers here.

[craigdek]

Don't know why anyone is even bitching. Send their white asses to South Africa. Then no jobs or benefits so nothing to bitch about. That's why I'm here. Back where I lived only 25% of work force may be white no matter the qualification. At least they have food and a house and clothes. They should kiss tax payers asses.

[Banditbandit]

But they are multiplying... *sigh*

"You must spread ..." - Yeah ... that's right ...

[Banditbandit]

It looks like they have more in common with Maoris than we first thought.

Come on - even you can do better than that ...

Did you know that in 2010 the Māori economy assset base was $36.9billion ??? That the biggest group of owners of Fonterra (New Zealand's largest company ) are Māori ??? That means there are more Māōri diary farmers than Pākehā dairy farmers .. (Probably a scarey thought for the racists ... )

We are not the dole bludgers you think we are (I probably pay more tax a week than you get in benefits ... am I supporting you?)

[bogan]

Come on - even you can do better than that ...

Did you know that in 2010 the Māori economy assset base was $36.9billion ??? That the biggest group of owners of Fonterra (New Zealand's largest company ) are Māori ??? That means there are more Māōri diary farmers than Pākehā dairy farmers .. (Probably a scarey thought for the racists ... )

We are not the dole bludgers you think we are (I probably pay more tax a week than you get in benefits ... am I supporting you?)

Just to clairfy, whats the non maori asset base? And does 'the biggest group' mean they are just the largest asset holders by group, or that they own a majority of the total?

He was probably drawing the parallel to the sense of entitlement due to what their ancestors have done btw. Only a minority of maoris have this of course...

[mashman]

plus one , pissed meself

Stephen

Tis be the system thats broken tis be arrrrr ( insert pirate inflections ) , I dont blame em at all me heartys , if you need X and in a dead end job you get 1/8th of X , go for it , take the kings coin ...haahaaarrr
The Nice mr key is doing a fine Job , and his shitmates are paying themselves from the booty Arrrrggg

And when the boat springs a leak , they give em all bonuses hahahaaaaarrrr ( try that on the dole )

Stephen

... or they blame the baderer pirates who fly a different coloured flag... but it's just so wrong that people should be trying to make the best of their situation.

It's not simplistic at all. But you wheel that out every chance you get, and it's just plain wrong.

If they can't get a job paying what they want it's because they want too much, same as most of the dole bludgers here.

Yes it is. X people - Y jobs = X people who have to claim dole to earn money to live. The only reason you see it as not being simplistic, is because you complicate it with reasons as to why the unemployed should be working. Fuckin hilarious given the mathematical equation I started with... and I find it highly amusing, more than highly amusing, that supposed intelligent people ignore the facts of the situation and decide that a cull is required because someone is receiving their money. Even more funny when that excuse is rolled out by the "bludgers" in that they're just using the taxation that their parent have paid. It's a tragic comedy. So show me where it's wrong instead of stomping your feet and waving your pointy finger.

No doubt that is one of the reasons for unemployment, but there will be someone along to take those jobs at some point, why stress about it, why waste time, energy and money researching and creating policy that does fuck all to address the underlying issue... but more is used to appeal to the pitchfork brigades emotions in order to get their vote. On the positive side, the smoke and mirrors do seem to be working well.

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