Why work? A couple from the UK asks

[mashman]

Starve and die without a job?

FFS, can't anyone grow their own food these days? Are people this fucking retarded.

Well you won't have money for land, seeds, tools etc...

I should never doubt the system.

We need to creat moar jobz, John Key said he was doing this.
I haven't seen any nice new jobs?

Good man. Jobs are everywhere, open your fuckin eyes... if you want one that is

[Banditbandit]

Lots of handbags in here!

Mashy, hypothetical X and Y situation:
When X = 1000 people and Y = 800 jobs
If 200 more jobs are created, what happens to the 500 people working for WINZ?

They retrain as builders and get sent to ChCh ????

[mashman]

They retrain as builders and get sent to ChCh ????

Oh, so we've got educators then. Who have they been teaching all this time ?

[Banditbandit]

Starve and die without a job?

FFS, can't anyone grow their own food these days? Are people this fucking retarded.

Yes .. I hate to tell you - but yes, they are ... lost the art of growing food .... let alone knowing how to gather the wild stuff and process it to eat it ...

FFS ... there is so much food growing in and around this country (without stealing it) that people should not be starving ...

[Banditbandit]

Oh, so we've got educators then. Who have they been teaching all this time ?

FUCK YES !!!! We have got the educators ... we can't get enough students to fill our courses ... trades that is .. we can get an over-supply of fucking useless "professionals" - lawyers, accountants, office jobsworths ...

[ducatilover]

Well you won't have money for land, seeds, tools etc...



Good man. Jobs are everywhere, open your fuckin eyes... if you want one that is

Build your house in a public domain edible shit is everywhere.

I'd like a job upgrade, but that's my responsibility, my polishing business isn't the fruitiest giver but I reckon my mad-az skills with motors and things what go brum will help out once I can relocate to an area where there are actually people! I'd rather polish crap all day than sit on my thumb earing $140 of your tax a week
The occasional relief milking pays bloody well though

They retrain as builders and get sent to ChCh ????

If the opportunity arrises I may just have to load my Volvo up and stroll on down. I can hold a crow bar and hammer.

[mashman]

FUCK YES !!!! We have got the educators ... we can't get enough students to fill our courses ... trades that is .. we can get an over-supply of fucking useless "professionals" - lawyers, accountants, office jobsworths ...

I meant in regards to ducatilover's hypothetical post... but still you raise a valid point in regards to the "professionals". Wonder why so many want to be a part of that group... hmmmmm

[Banditbandit]

I can hold a crow bar and hammer.

Yeah .... I can do that too .... it's what happens when I move them - especially the hammer - that's the problem ...

[Brett]

That couple would fit in well in Northland or South Auckland.

[Brett]

OK . here's the whole report on the Māori economy in 2010

http://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/in-print/o...xpend-2011.pdf



I can't find a total assest base figure ... Try these for a comparison .. in 2010 our GDP was $162.40billion ... Māori enterprise earnings (business sector) in the same year were $22.2billion ... household earnings (workers) was $14.8billion ...

From the same report as I got these figures - not the same as the above report (http://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/in-print/o...onomy-2012.pdf)

"Research commissioned by Te Puni Kökiri in 2010 on Māori Science and Innovation found successful alignment with the needs of Māori entities would potentially lead to:

• an additional $12 billion per annum in GDP for the Māori economy by 2061

• an additional 150,000 jobs per annum in New Zealand’s economy by 2061

• more than 50,000 of these jobs in professional occupations

• approximately 30,000 of these jobs in skilled trades

• a boost to New Zealand’s per capita GDP of between $4,800 tob $7,500 per annum by 2061

• an expansion of New Zealand’s export sector by an additional $12 billion by 2061."

And racist people in this country continue to call us dole bludgers, and people waiting for handouts ... These kinds of figures give the lie to that ..

I would bloody well hope that they are contributing strongly to GDP given the prime land etc that has been passed back to Maori. It only makes sense that they be well utilised doesn't it?

[007XX]

Yes .. I hate to tell you - but yes, they are ... lost the art of growing food .... let alone knowing how to gather the wild stuff and process it to eat it ...

FFS ... there is so much food growing in and around this country (without stealing it) that people should not be starving ...

It's not lost, but very much dormant.

I am disgusted when I talk to some women in my semi rural town, and they cackle on about how they wish they could grow vegies like I do on my 800m2 section, and yet, when I offer to help and show them how, a plethora of excuses comes to the fore... No time, no space, don't want dirt under one's fingernails.

Then they quickly bitch about how expensive fresh food is, and how processed foods diet are inevitable nowadays.

Fark it makes me wild.


Anyhoo... Mashman: yes, there are only so many jobs out there in any given field. BUT: there is always work for who truly wants to to work and make something of themselves. If your particular field is not good for you, then try another... But don't just give up and extend a hand ad infinitum.

Admitedly one must want to humble themselves and start at the bottom of the ladder and pay their dues, maybe more than once. But so what?

Once again, I come back to a moral code of ethics that escapes it would seem a great many people. One easy principle: getting money for doing nothing in return is WRONG.

[ducatilover]

Admitedly one must want to humble themselves and start at the bottom of the ladder and pay their dues, maybe more than once. But so what?

It's better than having nothing.
For a "normal" (read: spastic) person like myself, single, no kids etc, I'd earn over double on min wage than I would with the hand out. And it's not very entertaining being an unemployed person (been there)

P.S, who needs some stuff polished

[unstuck]

A lot of people are gonna go hungry if we have any sort of large scale power outages, not me, I can eat out of my backyard whenever I want. And I have a love trap for a deer if I need meat.

[Banditbandit]

P.S, who needs some stuff polished

Therre's a few nobs on kiwibiker who might avail themselves of your services ..

[ducatilover]

A lot of people are gonna go hungry if we have any sort of large scale power outages, not me, I can eat out of my backyard whenever I want. And I have a love trap for a deer if I need meat.

I'll cook on the fire