ACC pays out more than $11,000 for sunburn "injuries"

[Ocean1]

Where did I say our healthcare system was crap?

I said ACC is an idiot box. And that if someone caters for their own healthcare via private sustem, they shouldn't have to pay ACC.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed fairly logical and fair to me.

I didn't contradict you. However, if you costed the services ACC provide and then went shopping amongst private suppliers you wouldn't get half way through your list before you ran out of money. Even if you left out the cost of supplying services to idiots. Seriously.

[Mom]

I want to know what $11,000 worth of moisturiser looks like.

Sadly, sunburn that means it will not respond to moisturiser.

Anyone that has a sunburn injury, should not be covered by ACC! It is common sense shit. I sometimes/rarely get a bit pink

But, I have lived here long enough to respect the sun. I am brown as a berry, I have that skin type. I never sit/lay in the sun. My "tan" is a result of simply living in NZ, and taking a bit of care. I never used to, I am of the generation that coated themselves with baby oil and fryed ourselves. I hope I dont have to pay the penalty for that stupidity later.

[PrincessBandit]

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I haven't had a sunburn in 20 odd years, and am so freakin white, I'm near enough transparent ( as those who've met me can attest to).

My wee girl is the same. I race around after her each morning to dowse her in the susnscreen she hates, but is still yet to know what a sunburn feels like.

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I've had several cases of bad sunburn over the years - usually on my nose and legs (of all places!) My arms go quite brown but my legs stay lily white. When I put my arm down against my leg they look like they belong to two different people. My legs are either white or burnt pink; they never seem to tan. Worst part of my body though is my nose and have the annual period of putting up with being called Rudolph. This happens even when i'm particularly careful to cover my nose

[007XX]

I've had several cases of bad sunburn over the years - usually on my nose and legs (of all places!) My arms go quite brown but my legs stay lily white. When I put my arm down against my leg they look like they belong to two different people. My legs are either white or burnt pink; they never seem to tan. Worst part of my body though is my nose and have the annual period of putting up with being called Rudolph. This happens even when i'm particularly careful to cover my nose

Damn, you poor thing! That would suck.

I obviously can't and do not want to tell you what to do, but personally, I just don't go out anymore without 50+ sunscreen on any skin thats likely to be exposed to the sun during the day.
I was burnt quite badly a few times as a kid, and so I'll probably face troubles later on anyway. But I just don't want to make it any worse if I can help it eh.

If you're at all interested, look up a product called Daylong in pharmacy. Its a once a day application sunscreen. Quite a bit more expensive, but I love it under makeup.

[Banditbandit]

50 visits to $234 hookers might answer that for ya.

You really need to shop around more.

Shit - that's cheap - 30 years ago two women I knew would not have got out of bed for less than $1,000 a night .. (well, they'd actually get INTO bed for that - but no less ...)

[Usarka]

I didn't contradict you. However, if you costed the services ACC provide and then went shopping amongst private suppliers you wouldn't get half way through your list before you ran out of money. Even if you left out the cost of supplying services to idiots. Seriously.

+1

Health insurance doesn't cover accidents - neither medical, liability, nor income (although it can "top up" ACC payments). If it did it for any of these it would be a lot more expensive.

[Madness]

$1,000 a night

So you couldn't hire them on a 7-minute interval basis then? It sounds pretty niche if that's the case.

[Usarka]

7 minutes?

Bloody hell. What do ya do with all that left over time?

[Madness]

7 minutes?

Bloody hell. What do ya do with all that left over time?

Toenail clipping, etc.

[Usarka]

Or applying ointment to the scabs that got rubbed off......

[Ocean1]

+1

Health insurance doesn't cover accidents - neither medical, liability, nor income (although it can "top up" ACC payments). If it did it for any of these it would be a lot more expensive.

Aye. Most Kiwis don't know how well our health system performs compared to other national systems. The comparitive data doesn't sell newspapers or soundbytes. The total US healtcare industry costs aprox 2.5 times what ours does, per capita, and supplies slightly more than half the value in terms of the quantity of comparable services supplied. The UK supplies more and arguably better services, but at significantly higher costs.

And ACC, with all of it's quirks is a large part of the reason why. Now, if the politicians stopped using individual services as vote tokens you might start to see some common sense in how each is funded.

[mashman]

Shit - that's cheap - 30 years ago two women I knew would not have got out of bed for less than $1,000 a night .. (well, they'd actually get INTO bed for that - but no less ...)

Did you have to kick your biotches out of bed to get to work then? What was your cut?

I just ain't that classy. Be great if I could get that on ACC... and if the missus ever found out I wonder if ACC would give me frequent visitor points.

[mashman]

And ACC, with all of it's quirks is a large part of the reason why. Now, if the politicians stopped using individual services as vote tokens you might start to see some common sense in how each is funded.

More details in regards to common sense please.

[Ocean1]

More details in regards to common sense please.

Start with a list of health interventions and their costs in one hand and a budget in the other.

Order interventions, (treatments, surgery etc) according to cost per quality unit (X relative improvement in health over Y time), best value at the top.

Start ticking from the top down until you run out of budget. That’s your list of publicly funded services, and that's roughly the model our funding was originally set up from.

Since then every fuckwit with an agenda has kicked and screamed about the lack of funding for a particular intervention juuust a little below the budget cut-off line. The local member goes to bat for his constituents, press calls alongside righteously indignant lobbyist and sick child, the crowd goes wild and there’s questions in the house. Ministers don’t like questions, calls for enquiry to stall further bad press. A year later the report falls onto the minister’s desk. He ignores it. Original crew discover report has been received and file a slew of OIRs. In the face of increasing pressure in election year the minister institutes a policy change and the intervention everyone’s bitching about gets funding approval.

Now, here's the question: Which previously funded intervention with a better claim to that funding has been flicked off the list in order for that to happen?

Repeat the rabble rousing a dozen times a year and what do you think that list would look like? All because it’s politically untenable to simply say: “I’m sorry, but we can’t afford the drug for that illness.”

[Banditbandit]

So you couldn't hire them on a 7-minute interval basis then? It sounds pretty niche if that's the case.

Fuck knows .. what do you think I am (well .. yeah ..) That as years ago ... the ones I did know who offered that services was pay for the action ... not the orgasm So .. hand job $25, blow job $35, full sex $60 ... I'll bet the price has gone up now ..

7 minutes?

Bloody hell. What do ya do with all that left over time?

Try to sleep while she talks?