SBK World Superbike Championship.

**inlinefour** · 14th August 2005, 11:05

I was bored yesterday while finishing off a 16 hour shift, so I did a tad of surfing the web @ the official website. I came accross the statistics page: Titles - Ducati have 13, Honda have only 4, Yamaha have none (interesting), Kawasaki have none (ahe?), Suzuki have none (then why do so many people here carry on about them?), Bimota, Aprillia, Benelli, MV Agusta and Petronas all have none (who cares as they are not Japanese?). Was quite an intersting site and although I have learnt what the pecking order is at present, the overall statistics can't be ignored either. Although I am not fortunate enough to ride a Ducati, at least the same can be said about Suzuki & the rest

. I'll go and hide back at work now (ducks and starts watching for fireworks...)

= Ducati

= Honda &

= the rest...

**TwoSeven** · 14th August 2005, 12:49

Now that they have changed the rules so the other bikes can compete (if not on level grounds) - should be different now. After all, suzuki managed to get a bit of extra power and the most boring rider ever to win the title this year - probably didnt help that the duke is at the end of its development life and the other teams weren't aloud to change their bike. Poor old petronas suffer the worst from non development rules.

I think it would be better if they could add 'upgrade kits' to their bikes 4 times a year instead of 2, which they could then offer to the public. It would mean that the team with the best bike at the beginning of the year, wouldnt win the first 8 events because everyone else cant mod their bikes to compete.

**onearmedbandit** · 14th August 2005, 13:07

Ok I'll bite. Considering that lack of members on this site who currently compete in WSB or MotoGP for that matter, I think all the Suzuki riders are talking about their ROAD bikes, not the bikes they don't race in WSB. Just a guess.

Which by the way, always makes me laugh about your sig. Yeah, just how many international top-level ridres are reading what you've got there and reconsidering their contracts?? For the most part, this is a road bike site...

**White trash** · 14th August 2005, 13:24

Inline. I think you're funny.

But before you try and start another brand war, check your sources carefully.

My hero, Scot Russel won a world Superbike title for, wait for it, Kawasaki.

So you know shit.

**White trash** · 14th August 2005, 13:44

And anyway, Troy Corser will win it CONVINCINGLY for Suzuki this year. No problem.

**inlinefour** · 14th August 2005, 15:07

Originally Posted by White trash

Inline. I think you're funny.

But before you try and start another brand war, check your sources carefully.

My hero, Scot Russel won a world Superbike title for, wait for it, Kawasaki.

So you know shit.

I am only quoting the information found on the website.

Check it out for yourself: http://www.superbike.it/ , riders, all time statistics, Manufacturers.
So Mr WT, I'm actually not trying to start anything that has anything to do with war. I'm more interested in the concept of all the rules being changed, as I said, I am aware of the current pecking order. So if you want to spit the dummy, piss off and do it by yourself as your just talking shit. If you want to say something usefull about the topic then go for it, like wise, everyone else...

**inlinefour** · 14th August 2005, 15:19

Originally Posted by onearmedbandit

Ok I'll bite. Considering that lack of members on this site who currently compete in WSB or MotoGP for that matter, I think all the Suzuki riders are talking about their ROAD bikes, not the bikes they don't race in WSB. Just a guess.

Which by the way, always makes me laugh about your sig. Yeah, just how many international top-level ridres are reading what you've got there and reconsidering their contracts?? For the most part, this is a road bike site...

Don't have a problem with this what so ever. I was like I stated in my original message, just reading the offical SBK website

**merv** · 14th August 2005, 15:24

Yeah I don't know how you missed Scott Russell because at that official site it clearly says he won the 6th championship on the Kawasaki as all us guys that have been around for a while know. Here's a copy straight from the website.

17 2004 Toseland J. Ducati
16 2003 Hodgson N. Ducati
15 2002 Edwards C. Honda
14 2001 Bayliss T. Ducati
13 2000 Edwards C. Honda
12 1999 Fogarty C. Ducati
11 1998 Fogarty C. Ducati
10 1997 Kocinski J. Honda
9 1996 Corser T. Ducati
8 1995 Fogarty C. Ducati
7 1994 Fogarty C. Ducati
6 1993 Russell S. Kawasaki
5 1992 Polen D. Ducati
4 1991 Polen D. Ducati
3 1990 Roche R. Ducati
2 1989 Merkel F. Honda
1 1988 Merkel F. Honda

I'm guessing you just looked at the manufacturers title page and because of weight of numbers Ducati won that in 1993 even though Scott won the riders title. Aaron Slight was the other main Kawasaki rider that year (he finished 3rd) and the two of them and the other lesser Kawasaki riders just never got enough points to beat the horde of Ducatis.

**White trash** · 14th August 2005, 15:28

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I am only quoting the information found on the website.

Check it out for yourself: http://www.superbike.it/ , riders, all time statistics, Manufacturers.
So Mr WT, I'm actually not trying to start anything that has anything to do with war. I'm more interested in the concept of all the rules being changed, as I said, I am aware of the current pecking order. So if you want to spit the dummy, piss off and do it by yourself as your just talking shit. If you want to say something usefull about the topic then go for it, like wise, everyone else...

How is this....

Originally Posted by White trash

Inline. I think you're funny.

But before you try and start another brand war, check your sources carefully.

My hero, Scot Russel won a world Superbike title for, wait for it, Kawasaki.

So you know shit.

...throwing a "tanty"?

You're opening post, indicated you wanted discussion on this subject....

Originally Posted by inlinefour

I was bored yesterday while finishing off a 16 hour shift, so I did a tad of surfing the web @ the official website. I came accross the statistics page: Titles - Ducati have 13, Honda have only 4, Yamaha have none (interesting), Kawasaki have none (ahe?), Suzuki have none (then why do so many people here carry on about them?), Bimota, Aprillia, Benelli, MV Agusta and Petronas all have none (who cares as they are not Japanese?). Was quite an intersting site and although I have learnt what the pecking order is at present, the overall statistics can't be ignored either. Although I am not fortunate enough to ride a Ducati, at least the same can be said about Suzuki & the rest

. I'll go and hide back at work now (ducks and starts watching for fireworks...)

= Ducati

= Honda &

= the rest...

I've provided that by stating that you're sources are incorrect. Nothing more.

And I'm not throwing the dummy, OR talking shit. Scot Russel won a World Superbike title for Kawasaki. How thw hell ois that "talking shit".

If you don't want discussion, don't start threads.

Thought you were a big boy anyway?

**White trash** · 14th August 2005, 15:31

Originally Posted by merv

6 1993 Russell S. Kawasaki

Thanks Merv.

Better pick your own dummy up, Inline.

**inlinefour** · 14th August 2005, 17:15

Originally Posted by White trash

How is this....

...throwing a "tanty"?

You're opening post, indicated you wanted discussion on this subject....

I've provided that by stating that you're sources are incorrect. Nothing more.

And I'm not throwing the dummy, OR talking shit. Scot Russel won a World Superbike title for Kawasaki. How thw hell ois that "talking shit".

If you don't want discussion, don't start threads.

Thought you were a big boy anyway?

Yea, Ive got big sholders as I suspect you do also WT. I have quoted the manufacterers list off the website. Not the riders list, which I am aware being different. I know that the ending of the restirictions placed on non- ducati are a good thing and that this will level the playing field (or sway it the Suzuki way???).
Riders results from the same site:
Rider Poles Races Podiums Wins 2nd pl. 3rd pl. Fast L. Titles

1. C. Fogarty 21 219 109 59 33 17 47 4
2. T. Corser 34 219 95 31 34 30 39 1
3. C. Edwards 15 175 75 31 24 20 23 2
4. D. Polen 17 79 40 27 8 5 17 2
5. R. Roche 9 95 57 23 23 11 25 1
6. T. Bayliss 7 76 46 22 18 6 13 1
7. N. Haga 2 148 44 19 12 13 23
8. P. Chili 10 253 61 17 18 26 29
9. G. Falappa 8 106 30 16 6 8 11
10. N. Hodgson 16 147 41 16 15 10 14 1
11. J. Kocinski 6 48 29 14 7 8 11 1
12. S. Russell 8 117 39 14 17 8 8 1
13. A. Slight 8 229 87 13 42 32 26
14. R. Laconi 7 85 28 11 7 10 10
15. S. Mertens 3 154 45 11 15 19 8
16. F. Pirovano 183 47 10 14 23 13
17. R. Xaus 1 77 31 9 12 10 11
18. A. Gobert 2 57 16 8 3 5 2
19. F. Merkel 4 114 24 8 6 10 7 2
20. B. Bostrom 2 97 17 7 4 6 5
21. D. Tardozzi 2 75 11 5 2 4 2
22. J. Toseland 1 112 28 5 13 10 1
23. C. Vermeulen 38 17 5 8 4 5
24. R. Phillis 3 105 27 4 13 10 6
25. M. Doohan 1 4 3 3 1
26. M. Tamada 1 6 4 3 1 3
27. A. Yanagawa 2 118 23 3 9 11 6
28. S. Byrne 6 2 2 1
29. D. Chandler 1 14 5 2 3 1
30. M. Dowson 1 14 6 2 3 1 2
31. P. Goddard 1 105 4 2 2 1
32. H. Izutsu 30 4 2 1 1 1
33. M. Lucchiari 96 7 2 1 4 2
34. M. Lucchinelli 2 18 4 2 1 1 2
35. K. Magee 8 7 2 4 1 1
36. T. Rymer 124 11 2 3 6
37. T. Aoki 6 1 1 2
38. G. Goodfellow 14 3 1 2 1
39. Y. Kagayama 3 22 6 1 4 1 2
40. T. Kipp 1 20 1 1
41. K. Kitagawa 24 5 1 2 2 1
42. G. McCoy 37 3 1 2 2
43. A. Meklau 142 4 1 2 1 2
44. A. Morillas 61 1 1
45. P. Picotte 8 1 1 1
46. J. Reynolds 1 81 4 1 1 2 1
47. A. Ryo 14 4 1 2 1 4
48. Y. Takeda 12 1 1
49. A. Vieira 1 33 5 1 4
50. J. Whitham 92 8 1 7 1

Sorry people, my bad

**Sensei** · 14th August 2005, 17:47

Righty didly fighty " What happens on the track is a Shit load different then on the road " . Just because you have a good bike doesn't mean you'll win you also need a Excellent rider to make that bike win !! If Suzuki's are not winning anything why do so many people own them ? . Maybe we all like owning the wost bike on the road ? I think not . I have found that after owning 53 bike I don't rely on a Mag / watching TV / looking at a Web site . I base my knowlege on having owned One not on " Hear say " BIG difference there . On the average we own a $10k - $20k road bikes not a $250k+
Race machine hard to make a similarity between the two & say thats crap because its not winning on the Track ! Always keen to put my old Suzuki up for a challenge !

**White trash** · 14th August 2005, 18:57

Inline, I know you've got broad shoulders mate, that's why I have no problem taking you on in your challenges. She'd be a fucken boring old world if we all rode GSXR Thous. A peacfull world, but still boring...........

**inlinefour** · 14th August 2005, 20:24

Originally Posted by White trash

Inline, I know you've got broad shoulders mate, that's why I have no problem taking you on in your challenges. She'd be a fucken boring old world if we all rode GSXR Thous. A peacfull world, but still boring...........

But if I was to buy the Sooooooki, then it would be that nice 750cc GSXR that was down at Wellington Motorcycles a few weeks back. But I'm sure I'll continue to gravitate to the 600cc instread. That is unless they make a CBR750RR

**inlinefour** · 15th August 2005, 11:53

It would appear that at times I upset people by my ranting about Hondas. If anyone actually took them totally seriously, sorry about that. The SBK is something that I have become interested in (along with most other forms of motorsport) due to having digital Sky. Now I am aware of some restrictions that had been put into place to disadvantage non- Ducatis in the past. Can anyone here either explain whats going on or, maybe a better option, offer a link to websites that do the same thing. Cheers in advance, John.