Bugger I missed that one, truth is I have missed a lot of South Park but appreciate that their social commentaries are funny and most often on target.Originally Posted by SMOKEU
SH1 rider
Bugger I missed that one, truth is I have missed a lot of South Park but appreciate that their social commentaries are funny and most often on target.
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. --- Unknown sage
Suffers from peterpan syndrome
+1Why stop at 18? They are still teenagers at 18, make it 21 and put the age for everything (except military service) back up to 21. Bring back the 21st as their first party. Oh and whilst you are at it bring back compulsory military service.
14yrs I worked in and ran bars and nightclubs all around NZ...and we made one hell of a stand when they announced the lower drinking age.
We went to council meetings, DLA, LLA and police meetings regarding the rediculas age change.
We advised them that the liquor companys were now actively targeting young kids for there next "profit grab" with the introduction of RTD's and sweet drinks, and we advised them that if they lower the age, they will be selling the youth of NZ to these companys in the name of profit!...and at the countrys expense!
...we advised them that we allready throw dozens of underage drinkers out of our bars every weekend!, if they lower the age, we go from removing 18yr olds, to removing 15-16yr olds!
We even foretold the effects, more violence on the streets, less profit for the actual bars -As adults have JOBS!...and dont want to drink with "pre-loaded" kids, and we advised them of the increased police presence that would be required, due to the fact that removals from bars would increase due to kids lower alcohol tolerance..."they won't go straight home once removed"...."they WILL prowl the streets with there mates and cause hell!!"
At every meeting....we were treated like idiots who didn't "understand"
YOUR councils, YOUR govt officals and even YOUR police!! representitives ALL backed this??(Granted, the Police made a MEEK effort to say no...but clearly they had been told by there masters what to say and how to "look")
...they ALL saw dollar signs??...they ALL saw extra funding, profits and more....you could practically see them all rubbing there hands together over the "new sales market"
...money!...power!...and profit!...THAT was the primary focus during these "so called" industry advisory meetings pre age change...the decision itself was pre made!...they never wanted our advice, or experiance...they wanted us to join them...in the name of profit!
Sorry...your kids were sold!
I quit the industry I loved due to these age changes...I used to be a general manager....I quickly became a baby sitter!
RAISE THE AGE!...or is giving KIDS alcohol and more rights than adults working out?...Or shall we just give them hand guns at 20?...could speed up the process!
(I attended DOZENS of these meetings all around NZ....every-single-one the same!...."we ARE doing this...get on board...or shut the fuck up and stand aside!")
When Life thows me a curve
...I lean into it!
Anarchic Wild Child
So .. how come you're out alone???Everyone under the age of 18 should be under constant adult supervision, and when they're out of their parents sight they should be escorted everywhere by a private security firm. That would solve the problem, right?
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Hardcore Punk
Kids can leave home younger than 18 if they can support themselves, how would you supervise them then?
For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.Keep an open mind, just dont let your brains fall out.
Forum whore
It's quite sad reading about that WtK, but not surprising given the "masses" are the funding for everything.+1
14yrs I worked in and ran bars and nightclubs all around NZ...and we made one hell of a stand when they announced the lower drinking age.
We went to council meetings, DLA, LLA and police meetings regarding the rediculas age change.
We advised them that the liquor companys were now actively targeting young kids for there next "profit grab" with the introduction of RTD's and sweet drinks, and we advised them that if they lower the age, they will be selling the youth of NZ to these companys in the name of profit!...and at the countrys expense!
...we advised them that we allready throw dozens of underage drinkers out of our bars every weekend!, if they lower the age, we go from removing 18yr olds, to removing 15-16yr olds!
We even foretold the effects, more violence on the streets, less profit for the actual bars -As adults have JOBS!...and dont want to drink with "pre-loaded" kids, and we advised them of the increased police presence that would be required, due to the fact that removals from bars would increase due to kids lower alcohol tolerance..."they won't go straight home once removed"...."they WILL prowl the streets with there mates and cause hell!!"
At every meeting....we were treated like idiots who didn't "understand"
YOUR councils, YOUR govt officals and even YOUR police!! representitives ALL backed this??(Granted, the Police made a MEEK effort to say no...but clearly they had been told by there masters what to say and how to "look")
...they ALL saw dollar signs??...they ALL saw extra funding, profits and more....you could practically see them all rubbing there hands together over the "new sales market"
...money!...power!...and profit!...THAT was the primary focus during these "so called" industry advisory meetings pre age change...the decision itself was pre made!...they never wanted our advice, or experiance...they wanted us to join them...in the name of profit!
Sorry...your kids were sold!
I quit the industry I loved due to these age changes...I used to be a general manager....I quickly became a baby sitter!
RAISE THE AGE!...or is giving KIDS alcohol and more rights than adults working out?...Or shall we just give them hand guns at 20?...could speed up the process!
(I attended DOZENS of these meetings all around NZ....every-single-one the same!...."we ARE doing this...get on board...or shut the fuck up and stand aside!")
The good thing about the alcohol reform bill though is the ability of the community to have more say in location of liquor stores, maximum opening hours etc.
It does get back to good parenting as well.
Anarchic Wild Child
Yes ... and as soon as the kid said that someone is up for a charge of supplying alcohol to a minor !! (Possibly Mum ... maybe someone else at the party ...) Should be too ...
However, the fact that the kid had drunk alcohol does not excuse the actions fo the cops ... If the cop did it pushing a 15-year-old so hard they fall and break their teeth and have other injuries is not acceptable.
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Suffers from peterpan syndrome
totally agree mate, the amount of kids in NZ with no real parenting applied to them is rediculas! (But it comes down to the fact that responcible people have 1.75 kids...unemployed & redneck welfare rabbits have 8+!...they are simply out breeding us, and the NZ working class is picking up the bill...and there kids!...and the mess!)
Unfortunately, the Reform bill is a joke!
...what happened just last year when we all voted and yelled for change to the liquor law (It was a one sided vote for gods sake)...the Govt turned around and said what?
...."you don't understand"
They just ignored everyone and did what they pleased...and what pleased there "campaign donating" liquor company mates!
As is the way in this country...MONEY! determines the law....the rules and Govt decisions (Not common sense or the voting public)
...cos we serf's don't understand!**
When Life thows me a curve
...I lean into it!
Forum whore
Yep, feudalism is still alive and well. However, serfs these days are more informed.
Unfortunately, the Reform bill is a joke!
...what happened just last year when we all voted and yelled for change to the liquor law (It was a one sided vote for gods sake)...the Govt turned around and said what?
...."you don't understand"
They just ignored everyone and did what they pleased...and what pleased there "campaign donating" liquor company mates!
As is the way in this country...MONEY! determines the law....the rules and Govt decisions (Not common sense or the voting public)
...cos we serf's don't understand!**
I hope this doesn't sound patronising and I don't know your personal circumstances, but if you can somehow become self employed or similar and get a good accountant who can get you some money back from the thieving gubbermint then you'll at least be fighting them on a different level.
The alcohol reform bill isn't a total joke though, you just have to keep an eye on what's happening in the community to make it work. You sound like that type of person.
Forum whore
SOME parents TTT, SOME parents.
I am a parent. I know my wife and I are a major part of how our kids grow up. Especially before school age. After that, there are a whole new bunch of influences.
Friends, teachers, people the interact with at extra curricular events. A whole new world is opening up before them and all of them know more than Mum and Dad.
We still try bloody hard to bring them up as good people, and know that a lot of their behaviour is down to us.
It is a tough job being a parent. A great job, but a tough one. No manuals, no redo's, that critical conversation you might only get one shot at.
Heaven forbid if it is on a day where you had a shitty day at work, or lost your job, or just weren't in the right place.
I am not excusing parents, but most of us are trying our best.
Fair weather rider
http://allsp.ch/l.php?id=e72 Season 5, episode 7. Funny as hell. also see http://allsp.ch for all the seasons.
Forum whore
Well said.
That's the problem though, there is no manual for being parents and anyone can be one.
As we well know, some people shouldn't be allowed to breed but if there's too much meddling by TPTB on the subject then there's a outrage about social engineering etc. Maybe (stirring it a bit here) all parents need to pass a test...
SH1 rider
Yep, on target and also refers to something subsequent posts have touched on and that is as kids grow parents have less influence over what they do and think. Also good kids can go to bad parties. But that is getting serious.
Last edited by oneofsix; 13th February 2013 at 10:53. Reason: forgot - red rocket.
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. --- Unknown sage
Den tha thriamvéf̱sei páno̱
There's a few sides to the story and we don't know them all as usual I suspect. And, apologies if I miss something here - I've missed all the coverage because I don't watch telly much these days.
The Teenager: I don't know about you lot but I was completely disconnected from my olds, they didn't know anything about my life.
If I wanted to do something I did, and was well shot of home at a very young age.
Moral? Get to know your kids and validate them so they'll connect with you honestly, teach them right and wrong and hope they think for themselves and make the right choices.
At 14 I was already at parties and bars, I just jumped out the window if I wasn't allowed, which I wasn't! (Glad at least I know all the tricks!!)
Sure, have boundaries and curfews and be firm and consistant from a young age, and consequences for breaking these. (Quite often I see parents give up the "fight" and give in)
However, teenagers are going to do what they want to do to push boundaries, include negative peer pressure and it's recipe for disaster.
There was a 14 year old's party down our street on Sat night - second one in a month, the parents were out.
The party seemed fine, over early no big deal, it's about give and take and it is Saturday night!
But, as they left there were cars everywhere, kids wandering around on our lawns (told to bugger right off by a contingency!) and dropping their empty drink vessels and rubbish all over our street - which the parents were made to clean up Sunday morning after words with them.
Without a doubt - If the parents allow it to continue as the kids age - I can see it will all get out of hand, in quite a few ways!
The Police: They (media) say 500? odd kids at the party, hiffing bottles at them. The young lady was allegedly pushed down three times, three.
If she didn't listen the first time, wellllll...
Granted; Police should be trained to respond not re-act, it's a fine line I'm sure.
Speaking as a parent, if that were my daughter, there would be words and I would take action.
I'd want a full investigation at the very least. Police are doing a tough job but need to be accountable for this kind of behaviour, just like any other adult would be. Lots of lessons for all involved, there..
It's a tough one, I would be interested in what the investigation turns out, if there is one...
ter·ra in·cog·ni·taAchievement is not always success while reputed failure often is. It is honest endeavor, persistent effort to do the best possible under any and all circumstances.
Orison Swett Marden
Highway Biker
So they pushed her. She wasn't punched or kicked. Certainly that's not her allegation. A push is reasonable under the circumstances when a breach of the peace is imminent. And certainly more than reasonable if she pissed them around long enough to be pushed three times. The fact she was drunk enough to fall over and knock her teeth out is unfortunate but not forseeable. Can hardly blame the cop for the lack of co ordination of the sweet girl.
SH1 rider
If her lack of co-ordination was the problem or is her supposed drunkenness being used as a smoke screen? Sorry but when you invest power in a group you do also have to make them accountable.
Now if it had been a gang party I would probably be singing a different tune.
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people. --- Unknown sage
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