Good parenting?

**Nova.** · 13th February 2013, 18:15

Originally Posted by Akzle

on rye bread with mayonaise, bring it on

odd. i wouldn't fight for any politicians, or the government, or the system as it is, but i would definitley shoot any cunt wanting to take 'my' land.

geeze that's funny, I dun'remember mentioning politicians, the govt or any system

**Littleman** · 13th February 2013, 18:23

I mean what of 'fucken move!' didn't she understand?

**scumdog** · 13th February 2013, 18:27

Originally Posted by Mom

The admission that this "baby" had been drinking put it all in perspective for me. I have heard the gob on these "children" first hand. I DO NOT condone police brutality in any shape or form, and we only have one drunken 15 y/o version of events. FFS! What was she doing out drinking? Unsupervised? Go Mommy, GO! Congratualtions on raising a really special daughter. Oh, btw, we will all be paying for that dental work

Great post A.

**Akzle** · 13th February 2013, 18:41

Originally Posted by Nova.

geeze that's funny, I dun'remember mentioning politicians, the govt or any system

well and good then, i guess we'll be shooting in the same direction when the time comes.

**Drew** · 13th February 2013, 19:35

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

I wasn't getting at you in particular - yours just happened to be the last post in that vein ...

See I have bugger all experience of teenage girls (except when I was a teenager .. which was sometime 40-something years ago) ... but I do have direct experience of cops ... you clearly have both - why do you mistrust the girl more than the cops?

Just an experience thing.

They lie, and given the current state of society, are not punished for it as I consider befitting.

Cops can be relentless, but in the current state of cameras in EVERY hand, they cannot afford to lie and expect to get away with it.

**Fergus** · 13th February 2013, 20:30

Originally Posted by Asher

I've been at several parties that haven't been out of control where the police have turned up to break it up and immediately being heavy handed with people. I've seen them hit and push guys, girls, drunks, sober people, people cooperating and people being assholes.
NOTHING starts a riot faster than the police doing this, then they go on tv saying how out of control the party was, how bottles were thrown and how they were abused.
I'm surprised there haven't been reviews on the way police deal with parties. All they are doing is creating a generation that despises them.

+ a million
I saw a girl get batoned from behind while leaving one of these sorts of parties...She was ahead of me, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
50 odd people saw it, next thing, 500 people are throwing bottles ect
But I'm sure she was a skank so deserved it

**Zedder** · 13th February 2013, 21:20

Originally Posted by Fergus

+ a million
I saw a girl get batoned from behind while leaving one of these sorts of parties...She was ahead of me, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
50 odd people saw it, next thing, 500 people are throwing bottles ect
But I'm sure she was a skank so deserved it

So, what happened after that?

**Berries** · 13th February 2013, 22:04

Ten minutes consoling then a toothless BJ from a 15 year old.

**Banditbandit** · 14th February 2013, 09:21

Originally Posted by Asher

All they are doing is creating a generation that despises them.

Naa .. these are the grandchildren of my generation - who learnt to despise the police in Chicago in 1968, at Kent State University in 1970 ... during the protests in New Zealand in the 1960s and 70s ... just riding a bike in New Zealand in the 1970s ... the police framing of Arthur Allen Thomas ... and other such fuck ups ... the police action during the 1981 anti-tour protests (fuck .. I'm talking about things that happened before many peope on this list were born ... anyone born in 1982 will be 31 this year - and have thir own children)

So disilussionment wth the police is way older than this new generation ...

**Zedder** · 14th February 2013, 09:52

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Naa .. these are the grandchildren of my generation - who learnt to despise the police in Chicago in 1968, at Kent State University in 1970 ... during the protests in New Zealand in the 1960s and 70s ... just riding a bike in New Zealand in the 1970s ... the police framing of Arthur Allen Thomas ... and other such fuck ups ... the police action during the 1981 anti-tour protests (fuck .. I'm talking about things that happened before many peope on this list were born ... anyone born in 1982 will be 31 this year - and have thir own children)

So disilussionment wth the police is way older than this new generation ...

I'd say there's a fair amount of disillusionment in the police force due to dealing with idiots and arseholes as well.

**Banditbandit** · 14th February 2013, 10:00

Originally Posted by Zedder

I'd say there's a fair amount of disillusionment in the police force due to dealing with idiots and arseholes as well.

Absolutely - human beings are human beings and we all fuck up ... and if I was a cop I'd be pretty disillusioned too ... hell, I am pretty disillusioned with my fellow New Zealanders ...

**Zedder** · 14th February 2013, 10:16

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Absolutely - human beings are human beings and we all fuck up ... and if I was a cop I'd be pretty disillusioned too ... hell, I am pretty disillusioned with my fellow New Zealanders ...

What, disillusioned with all of us? That's a bit harsh...

**skippa1** · 14th February 2013, 10:23

Anyone that hasnt brought up kids, had troubled teenagers and dealt with that side of things is dreaming if they think they understand. You can build a relationship with your kids, get alongside them and encouage, provide opportunity and lifestyle.....but when they hit the skids and want to make their own statement about individualisim and their "rights".....when they decide that you as parents are the main source of their pain.....in most cases, nothing you say or do will change their minds. They go on a one track self destruct path. At 15 you cant send them to their room if they dont want to go, you cant ground them unless you are prepared to imprison them............

My view......the issues here are two fold. Society has normalised kids drinking and taking drugs for recreational purposes.....by our own actions. Then we defend their "rights" as individuals when they fuck up and we look to blame others.

What went wrong here?,

The child is out drinking at a party at the age of 15 and that is not appropriate
The girl got caught up in violence and unrest
The girl doesnt want to take responsibility for her actions or the position she has put herself in
The mother is defending the girls "rights"
The press sensationalise the whole event

The child made her own choices and should take esponsibility for the position she is in
The mother should back the police and their actions as being for the greater good of the community

The cops might have been heavy handed, but ahat are they supposed to do when so outnumbered and confronted with alchohol fuelled teenagers with parents standing behind them screaming about rights? The kids feel justified by their parents actions.

Fuckem....bitch got what she deserves and the parents should shutup....

**Genestho** · 14th February 2013, 10:31

Here's where "facts" become clearer. So, now I read she'd tripped over onto her face? My original position (without knowing much here anyway) would have to change at that point. "You chose to be at that party where kids were rarking up, sorry love, it happens." Pick up the pieces (of teeth) and move on.

EDIT: Did her parents know she was there? Did she pull the old "I'm at so and so's house" move and go regardless and Vice Versus and nobody (Parents) checked that up? I don't know..