heh heh heh... nah, raise more taxes to keep people safe.Originally Posted by Banditbandit
Hot Fuzz...
Aio ki te Aorangi
heh heh heh... nah, raise more taxes to keep people safe.
Hot Fuzz...
I didn't think!!! I experimented!!!
Aio ki te Aorangi
Yeah, coz adults are above leading the way in hopelessness, violence, poverty and crime. Where do you think the "kids" learn it from? Time adults started to practice what they preach... but that ain't gonna happen coz there's money to be made. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you're going to run your society to a budget, then you're going to get the society that that budget can afford. It's not the problem of the kids and it's not the problem of Gen X/Y. It's an old farts problem. For some reason they seem to think that growth means progress and that the kids should learn by example and do as they're told. Blind as fuck springs to mind, but trying to be more charitable, they're just fuckin blind. Kids have always been cunts, even the employed ones... they just happen to have less time to be a cunt with.if it wasn't for them darn kids
It would seem that society is what other people want it to be and not what we want it to be. I don't blame the kids, and neither should anyone else, in fact we shouldn't be blaming the useless parents, because it isn't the monority of useless parents or the minority of bad kids that define what society is and they are currently powerless to change a thing, especially when earning the princely sum of $11 per hour. Consider this... since when did telling a kid anything, in an authoritative manner, every really accomplish anything?
It's the adults that are behind the times, the pre-baby boomers clinging on to an era of plenty and believing that it can still exist in exactly the same format as it once did and to hell with anyone who thinks it can't... and all because adults say so. Blaming kids for the mistakes of adults that have gone before them is just fuckin stupid.
Bogeyman
They're their assets, dude. And as I said, you can't buy wisdom, no matter who's money you're using.
I agree, but you know damned well there's only one way to teach productive behaviour, you reward it. You don't,and you can't pay people to underperform and expect them to improve. Never happen.
The only way I can see any improvement is to re-boot NZR, MOW, NZED et al and get back into the business of making apprentices. Don' tknow what it'd cost, you'd certainly have to reassign funding from somewhere else initially, but even in the meduim term you'd have some internal returns, it'd be mildely self-funding. Long term you'd have usefull employees, as opposed to labourers. Nothing's more redundant than labourers in most industries, and that's not going to change.
Dude. I don't speak giberish. Not well enough to be bothered going anywhere near that lot.
Later.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
Foamy? Usually I'd agree, but that last effort was calmly written and still makes perfect sense to me... however given what it is conveying I can see why you're having problems with it.
Bogeyman
Good. That's a start.
Now you just need to ditch the preconceived associations littering tho whole daitribe and you'll be on firmer ground.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... that's fuckin priceless, I may even bling you for it... however you didn't highlight the preconceptions, so no, I won't... you just carry on believing that it's the kids who are at fault and I'll keep laughing, but at you, not with you.
Bogeyman
One at a time, dude, that's about all either of us can deal with, eh?
Start with the one you misquoted me with. Re kids and blame.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
Speak for yourself.
I didn't misquote you, I extrapolated Gen X/Y and put words into your mouth. My humble apologies.
Senior Grumpy Old Bastard
You really are thinking with a cloud over your mind..
firstly the great recession 0f the 20's? They REALLY had it hard, by comparison todays 'unemployed' have it easy..
How is it OUR fault (baby boomers)? I came from the UK, with parents who went through the war and the austerity of rationing etc. owning a car was a luxury, it's only been since the 70's onwards they have really become a 'must have'.
Kids have always been shits you are 100% right, but today's shits have no controls on them.. they run the school's not the teachers, parents are basically left 'powerless', kids can 'divorce their parents' and get an independence allowance?? Jeezus H christos, we would NEVER have back chatted a teacher, let alone told them to 'fuck off'...
Now how did telling any kid anything in an authoritative manner work? well lets see, we were better educated, could read, right and do ower sumz proprli, thats 90% of us... the minority were the kids who didnt want to learn,,, right or wrongly as to how it was acheived, we respected/feared teachers, Police, parents in the main,,, so yes I guess that the regime DID instill self control, values, morals, work ethic. Today there is a LARGE percentage who cant be arsed to learn, and the teachers have no way to control them.
As for earning $11 dollars an hour? What sort of wages do you think we got as apprentices? We did it knowing we would earn better money than average after a few years, today they want it all, NOW, adult wages for child output ability... oh and of course all at a dollar down and no repayments for 12 months.....
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
Hardcore Biker
There was a TV show in the UK - Jamies Olivers Dream School. Not sure if you´ve seen it - the idea behind the show was to prove that it wasn't the kids fault they weren't learning at school it was the teachers. He took a bunch of kids who were about to leave school with no qualifications hand picked some world famous experts in every field, gave them laptops, field trips and tried to get them interested in something - anything. It was a disaster - he was tearing his hair out by the end of the series. 90% of the kids still couldnt give a shit.
I can still remember from my schooldays our Chemistry teacher giving us a roasting for being ungrateful little shits for goofing around in class, he had been teaching kids from some deprived/third world country at our school during the holidays. He struggled to get out the classroom at the end of the lesson because they were so keen to get every scrap of knowledge out of him.
I love the smell of twin V16's in the morning..
Royal Enfield user
this is going to be a quick reply as Im fkin knackered ,
First . yes the car was a luxury ( hand made, no robots and economies of scale ) , but the"free ist" individuals were the teenagers of the late fifties toward the mid 70s disposable money and not so much in the way of cell phones ,ie free and with money ....think Mary Quant etc this of course was a reaction to the hardships imposed by war ( bacon became the thing after the war !)
those teenagers, taught their children based on their experience(s) ,,,,dot dot dot
Secondly the Economic outlook changed , ( how many times do I have to say this ) August 15th 1971 when Nixon removed the last of the gold standards and floated the dollar ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock) Since then the and even more so when clinton removed the Glass-steagull act , all hell has been let loose , esp in the world of credit and finance ( your house )http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act
Now if ( as I have said , how many times ) , if you can move money , or have an asset you can capitalize to a greater or lesser extent. If you dont, cant or are in Oamaru and the jobs just gone ...
Now people who are marginalized create " justifications " for their actions, ( we see it here oh NZ/Im struggling , because of those unemployed bludgers , solo mums , when in fact its the Oldies ( pensions ) that cost the most ( just over half ) or it must be those coons from wogistan taking the jobs !)
Taken to extremes in south auckland and some sections of society ,,,,,,,http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59294.Five_Families
wont go on. suffice to say , chuck in a bit of USA bullying and neoclassical economics from Chicago and we arrive at today
Its not the " baby boomers " you cant blame them" for not understanding , and trying to better themselves ( some are greedy yes )99.99% of people do not understand how the world changed .....and they wont , due to the mess it will make if they did realize ..
The solution is simple ,
Challenge the TINA ( there is no alternative ) syndrome .. ( again not I am not sure )
* Promote informed debate and critique ..
* Promote participatory democracy ..
* Embrace the Treaty of Waitangi as a liberating force ..
* Encourage progressive counter-nationalism ..
* Develop multi-level strategies ..
* Hold the line ..
* Localise politics ..
* Ginger up party politics ..
* Invest in the future ..
* Support those who speak out ..
* Promote ethical investment ..
* Think global, act local ..
* Think local, act global ..
and stop blaming others when its bigger than us here in a small south pacific nation , that to be ...honest doesnt feature on the world stage ....
Stephen
"Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."
Aio ki te Aorangi
And there are plenty in Africa/India/China who would love to have the standard of living that those in the 20's had.
Regarding baby boomers/adults in general, Edmund Blake: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.". That's why it has all gone to shit. We've relinquished collective responsibility to people of dubious character. A tad unfair perhaps in that some people are doing the best that they can given the circumstances they find themselves in... but that's where they should be changing the rules of the game and it's up to us to suggest how those rules should be changed, because they certainly aren't. It's the adults that drive us to where we need to go and we're going rapidly backwards where technological advancement, providing efficiencies and the economy come before the welfare of people. That lies at our feet. I am prepared for sweeping changes to arrest the free f(or)all.
I agree with you in regards to kids and "respect" to an extent. I despair when I see the stunned looks on parents face when I say please feel free to bollock my kids should they be out of line. Should that require being restrained, go for it. I'm more than happy for strangers to have a crack at the girls if they're being bad, but there's too many people these days who's idea of bad is making noise and it's getting harder and harder to draw that line. Again though, it's the adults who are the intolerant ones and we should know better.
Bogeyman
Got to be careful with wee snippets like that, especially where they may reinforce whatever prejudices you might already have. Nonetheless, if Jamie had bothered doing a minimum of research in developmental psych he might not have been so surprised at the results. The fact is that about the time they leave school is the worst age possible to attempt to change the behaviour at the focus of the experiment.
I was in China a few years ago, working, and in the evenings I did the tourist bit around the city. You'd find kids loitering around the museums, galleries and markets, they’d try to engage with you as you entered or left. They were invariably polite and interested in what you had to say about the place. What they wanted was to talk to someone with English as their primary language, for as long as possible.
I’d walk through the local park to dinner most nights, and end up spending an hour talking to teenagers. It grew into some sort of strange nightly outdoor English class, they'd turn up with notes from last night and want to know what was planned for tomorrow. By the time I left over 100 kids would be there. I still have just perhaps a dozen words of Mandarin.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Aio ki te Aorangi
That sounds like a really rather amazing journey.I was in China a few years ago, working, and in the evenings I did the tourist bit around the city. You'd find kids loitering around the museums, galleries and markets, they’d try to engage with you as you entered or left. They were invariably polite and interested in what you had to say about the place. What they wanted was to talk to someone with English as their primary language, for as long as possible.
I’d walk through the local park to dinner most nights, and end up spending an hour talking to teenagers. It grew into some sort of strange nightly outdoor English class, they'd turn up with notes from last night and want to know what was planned for tomorrow
Senior Grumpy Old Bastard
Stephen,
how the fuck did a financial diatribe get associated to what I said? I never mentioned the various financial meanderings of the USA et al, I/we were discussing behaviour of people either in 'dole' situation, or in general. The shenanigans of Nixon/Clinton have no bearing on twats like Sue Bradford and others who have their heads buried up their arses, and want to strip any method of controlling kids/people/crims etc then of course will sit and whinge while the 'unruly mob' they have created burns Rome.
If the road to hell is paved with good intentions; and a man is judged by his deeds and his actions, why say it's the thought that counts? -GrayWolf
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Bookmarks