Ultrafast broadband?

**Rcktfsh** · 14th February 2013, 14:08

Anyone hooked up to the new network and if so what are your experiences with providers, cost, speed etc?

**imdying** · 14th February 2013, 14:32

No, they've stopped 100m from my home and started going sideways

**Oblivion** · 14th February 2013, 14:39

Brother down in Palmy got hooked up the the network with Orcon soon after it came out.

Speeds before hand were miserable. About 11 down and >1 up. Afterwards, he's got 44 download and 15 upload.

All for i think 99$ a month unlimited.

**bogan** · 14th February 2013, 15:01

Is it supposed to do much for international traffic though, isn't one of the main limitations the cable going out of NZ?

**Gremlin** · 14th February 2013, 15:14

Originally Posted by Rcktfsh

Anyone hooked up to the new network and if so what are your experiences with providers, cost, speed etc?

We provide it via our upstream providers, so uh, am I allowed to say it's awesome? The others are shite of course...

For us, it's part of our WAN, we don't sell to the public. One order is complete, 2 more are underway. The shit fight about it, is being fibre it's treated differently to copper, so they fall under different laws. Submitting a fibre order, if it's determined to be MDU (multi dwelling unit) or ROW, it has to go through council consent process, which takes a while, all home owners have to agree to have the work done etc. If someone disagrees then the order is thrown out. Alternatively, I've been advised re land laws that one person can't hold things up, but then it's more court time to force the order through... basically, it can take time to get orders complete. Copper, the techs have automatic access to property to get the work done.

If you're a single house, straight to road the order is straight forward and easy, should be completed within the week, maybe 2 weeks at outside. The deadline for free installs was 14 December from memory, but now that's been dropped and there is a Chorus pot covering installs. Once that runs out, then it's gone. Also depends what your chosen ISP will offer in terms of packages. Ultimately, it's probably cheaper to go for it now, rather than later, if it's available in your area.

Originally Posted by bogan

Is it supposed to do much for international traffic though, isn't one of the main limitations the cable going out of NZ?

No, the fibre improves your access to the local network (the exchange down the road). The entire core network will be upgraded (or has been already) with better backhaul etc but it's still up to the ISP and what kind of peering they use, what shaping they use etc etc.

**AllanB** · 14th February 2013, 15:18

Nope. Fuck em. The cable is at the furthermost corner of my front section away from the house and as my house is set well back it will cost me a pile to wire up. Typical moron NZ installers making the job easier for them with little thought to the actual application.

Plus BB is already too expensive in NZ so I ain't paying any more.

**bogan** · 14th February 2013, 15:23

Originally Posted by Gremlin

No, the fibre improves your access to the local network (the exchange down the road). The entire core network will be upgraded (or has been already) with better backhaul etc but it's still up to the ISP and what kind of peering they use, what shaping they use etc etc.

Thought so, this may be getting a bit off topic, but do you know how to figure out which link in the chain is the one causing latency to certain servers? Ie, how much performance increase could I get by going UFB.

**Gremlin** · 14th February 2013, 15:31

Originally Posted by AllanB

Nope. Fuck em. The cable is at the furthermost corner of my front section away from the house and as my house is set well back it will cost me a pile to wire up. Typical moron NZ installers making the job easier for them with little thought to the actual application.

I specify on the order where I want the ONT and wiring terminated. The techs did exactly as ordered. From the roadside on the one completed order, they ran it through the edge of a flowerbed, cut a chase across the concrete front area (filled it again with concrete after), then piping up the wall into the building and finally terminated in room under the stairs with the rest of the services.

Originally Posted by bogan

Thought so, this may be getting a bit off topic, but do you know how to figure out which link in the chain is the one causing latency to certain servers? Ie, how much performance increase could I get by going UFB.

Run a trace to your target (in Windows, Command Prompt and tracert x.x.x.x - where x is the IP address) will tell you where the bulk of the latency is. In the tests I've done, it's usually going off shore. Tools instead of command prompt can also be used. The trace will also tell you how efficient the routing is. Cheaper internet providers or connections use cheaper links, which have a longer path round to your target, better quality ones route you there with less hops.

**Hitcher** · 14th February 2013, 17:03

TelstraClear's fibre optic network has been in our street for nearly 20 years. UFB is nothing new in these parts.

**Gremlin** · 14th February 2013, 21:13

Originally Posted by Hitcher

TelstraClear's fibre optic network has been in our street for nearly 20 years. UFB is nothing new in these parts.

The two sets of fibre are at very different ends of the pricing spectrum and for different purposes. Business fibre is point to point. You pay for a port on the exchange, and it's why it costs so much.

UFB is shared fibre (GPON I think) and 24 connections per port. While yes, it's rolled out to business/schools etc first, businesses with the budget and capacity to have business fibre will probably stay with it. That said, the specs we've been given allow us to order CIR along with the PIR, and different levels of SLA, but it shoves it right up the cost scale anyway...