MNZ and the internet

[Billy]

Okay so,

Its become apparent that some of the members of MNZ are unable to communicate through the channels we provide for them,I have spoken to the office this morning about setting up a competitors only forum,The plan is to use the domain I purchased last year www.nzsbk.co.nz and you will need to use your mnz log in to get access and it will be restricted to mnz roadrace members only,At this stage I am looking for a volunteer to help me set up the page and get it up and running asap,Once its set up we will look at having individual sections for each National class and a general discussion forum,Is anybody able too help???

[MarcusWyatt]

I'd be able to help you setup the forum. Let me know when you'd like to start getting things sorted.

[scott411]

some of MNZ have been very anty the Internet, and forum sites, some of thier reason's are fair, and some not,

this forum has continued and grown because it is moderated well, you can get stuff removed if you need, and they do not let poeple use multipule logins, sometimes things have to be deleted, and what the biggles thread had turned into was one of those times,

to get the MNZ one sucessfull you will have to do the same, but over moderate and people will not bother to come if you are going to censor them to much, you have to get people to go their and the other parts of KB bring poeple here, under moderate and it will make this place look calm,

What is the problem you have with things being discussed here? (you use this forum to promote the stuff you want, and eve to promote this new website) it does not seem to bad for me, is it the fact that MNZ want to censor or moderate discussion more?

[nodrog:Me]

So a member posts his retarded opinions on the internets which starts a discussion, and somehow that is taken as not comunicating properly and mnz now need kim dotcom to run a website for them? Fucksakes, over react much?

What would happen if it wasnt an mnz member?
What would happen if he went on tv, would mnz start their own channel?
When are you getting face book shut down.
Is markarse going to have his tongue cut out by mnz?

Honestly, there are far better ways to spend everybodies mnz membership, like putting it in a bucket and setting fire too it.

[Billy]

I'd be able to help you setup the forum. Let me know when you'd like to start getting things sorted.

All good mate,Will contact you by PM to discuss further.

[Billy]

some of MNZ have been very anty the Internet, and forum sites, some of thier reason's are fair, and some not,

this forum has continued and grown because it is moderated well, you can get stuff removed if you need, and they do not let poeple use multipule logins, sometimes things have to be deleted, and what the biggles thread had turned into was one of those times,

to get the MNZ one sucessfull you will have to do the same, but over moderate and people will not bother to come if you are going to censor them to much, you have to get people to go their and the other parts of KB bring poeple here, under moderate and it will make this place look calm,

What is the problem you have with things being discussed here? (you use this forum to promote the stuff you want, and eve to promote this new website) it does not seem to bad for me, is it the fact that MNZ want to censor or moderate discussion more?

Some good points there Scott,But I would rather the discussion was kept with in the sport itself,

As roadrace commissioner I am trying to change the way we come to decisions involving the rules for Championship classes etc and I'm really only interested in information from those within the sport as they are the ones who put their money where their mouths are so to speak,Others from outside the sport can continue posting in these forums if they so require,

I would have thought you of all people would have understood the legal implications of discussing some of the area's surrounding safety etc in the public arena,At the same time,I would like to think they could have their say on such issues and if we set up a members only forum some of the more legal sensitive stuff can be openly discussed amongst those who it will most affect.

Yes I know MNZ have been hard to deal with in some areas in the past,But I am trying to make it easier to access those who make the decisions so that the sport is run in the fashion desired by the actual competitors,Not Joeblogs on the street.

[Maha]

Pehaps MNZ should stick to what they know and not get caught up in what is said on the fucking internet.
MNZ are starting to look like a joke.......its the INTERNET! nobody cares

[Billy]

So a member posts his retarded opinions on the internets which starts a discussion, and somehow that is taken as not comunicating properly and mnz now need kim dotcom to run a website for them? Fucksakes, over react much?

What would happen if it wasnt an mnz member?
What would happen if he went on tv, would mnz start their own channel?
When are you getting face book shut down.
Is markarse going to have his tongue cut out by mnz?

Honestly, there are far better ways to spend everybodies mnz membership, like putting it in a bucket and setting fire too it.

Over react much...Seriously?? There has long been a call for a forum for competotors only and in fact if you read through this section you will see Shaun actually tried on a number of occassions to do so,Of course it hasn't worked out because all and sundry think they should have a say and there are some areas that can not be discussed in the public domain for legal reasons,

Spend everybodys MNZ membership on what????

I own the domain name and I pay for it and it does not come out of my membership fee,I have asked for volunteers to help set it up and Marcus Wyatt has offered his services in that area,Once it is up and running,I will maintain as part of my position as roadrace commissioner which is also a volunteer position,So where is the cost?????

Before spouting your mouth off further,I suggest you have a good long talk to Steve or Scrivy about how the organisation runs,They have a good understanding and realise the huge amount of hours put in by huge army of volunteers to keep it all running,On that basis it is better for us to have our own forum so we can discuss the important stuff with those that matter to help move the sport forward.

[scott411]

Billy, I know the reasons you wanted stuff deleted, and i agree with them (and for a few days this week i am glad their is not a forum for MX riders at the moment, or else I would be warning poeple and getting mods to delete stuff as well)

the fact is i use forums a lot, in Motorsport and in other sports i follow,

This place works because alot of poeple come here, yes more than a few are a waste of cyber space, but you do get good discussion in there as well, (facebook is another example of this)

personally i think you are waisting your time getting another forum going, for a few reasons, Shaun and a few others have tried to get forums going but they do not generate the traffic to warrant the expense and time, and dont last, and also I dont think this one is that broke,

you say you want only those in the sport to comment, but there is much more than just the riders to this sport, and when you start drawing lines on who can and can;t comment then it gets hard to stop, i mean you want to hear from competitors, what about the club officals, and then what about the sponsors and supporters, where do you stop drawing lines, I mean the people that pay to watch even deserve to be listened to at times,

edit: i think some of the people that dont get talked to enough is the poeple that have just quit, and find out the reasons why,

[nodrog:Me]

Over react much...Seriously?? There has long been a call for a forum for competotors only and in fact if you read through this section you will see Shaun actually tried on a number of occassions to do so,Of course it hasn't worked out because all and sundry think they should have a say and there are some areas that can not be discussed in the public domain for legal reasons,

Spend everybodys MNZ membership on what????

I own the domain name and I pay for it and it does not come out of my membership fee,I have asked for volunteers to help set it up and Marcus Wyatt has offered his services in that area,Once it is up and running,I will maintain as part of my position as roadrace commissioner which is also a volunteer position,So where is the cost?????

Before spouting your mouth off further,I suggest you have a good long talk to Steve or Scrivy about how the organisation runs,They have a good understanding and realise the huge amount of hours put in by huge army of volunteers to keep it all running,On that basis it is better for us to have our own forum so we can discuss the important stuff with those that matter to help move the sport forward.

Like i have said before, i am mildly retarded but i think i can understand how things work without having to talk to a grown up.

What im trying to get across is, who the fuckis.going to use an mnz forum, where by precident all their posts will be edited/removed if mnz dont agree with them? Thats like the jews thinking its a good idea to spend the night in the oven, even though their chums that went in there last got abit crook.

Time is money and you will just be wasting both.

P.s. If you think this is me spouting my mouth off you havent met me in real life.

[Katman]

P.s. If you think this is me spouting my mouth off you havent met me in real life.

Wanna root?

[Billy]

Like i have said before, i am mildly retarded but i think i can understand how things work without having to talk to a grown up.

What im trying to get across is, who the fuckis.going to use an mnz forum, where by precident all their posts will be edited/removed if mnz dont agree with them? Thats like the jews thinking its a good idea to spend the night in the oven, even though their chums that went in there last got abit crook.

Time is money and you will just be wasting both.

P.s. If you think this is me spouting my mouth off you havent met me in real life.

Nope,

The whole idea to having a closed forum(as much as it can be),Is that it is unaltered/moderated,The whole idea is we get to hear exactly what the competitors think and not the crazies off the street as such,I'm sure there are a number of competitors that don't agree with a whole bunch we do and I as roadrace commissioner can't do my job to is max if I don't have all the relevant info,So far as wasting my time and money,You don't have to go far up the page too see the sort of claptrap I wouldnt need to sift through in a closed forum and according to some,I'm already wasting both,S o on that basis I should probably resign my post immediately?

[Billy]

Billy, I know the reasons you wanted stuff deleted, and i agree with them (and for a few days this week i am glad their is not a forum for MX riders at the moment, or else I would be warning poeple and getting mods to delete stuff as well)

the fact is i use forums a lot, in Motorsport and in other sports i follow,

This place works because alot of poeple come here, yes more than a few are a waste of cyber space, but you do get good discussion in there as well, (facebook is another example of this)

personally i think you are waisting your time getting another forum going, for a few reasons, Shaun and a few others have tried to get forums going but they do not generate the traffic to warrant the expense and time, and dont last, and also I dont think this one is that broke,

you say you want only those in the sport to comment, but there is much more than just the riders to this sport, and when you start drawing lines on who can and can;t comment then it gets hard to stop, i mean you want to hear from competitors, what about the club officals, and then what about the sponsors and supporters, where do you stop drawing lines, I mean the people that pay to watch even deserve to be listened to at times,

edit: i think some of the people that dont get talked to enough is the poeple that have just quit, and find out the reasons why,

Yip understand your point re the MIA etc,But the lines of communication are already open and I have yet to fail to answer any request or suggestion from any of those involved,In fact I can categorically state the reverse is true,

Nope what I am talking about here is a riders only forum(or swingers if your a sidecar competitor)

[nodrog:Me]

Nope,

The whole idea to having a closed forum(as much as it can be),Is that it is unaltered/moderated,The whole idea is we get to hear exactly what the competitors think and not the crazies off the street as such,I'm sure there are a number of competitors that don't agree with a whole bunch we do and I as roadrace commissioner can't do my job to is max if I don't have all the relevant info,So far as wasting my time and money,You don't have to go far up the page too see the sort of claptrap I wouldnt need to sift through in a closed forum and according to some,I'm already wasting both,S o on that basis I should probably resign my post immediately?

Choice, can we have beers and a barbie on your last day, or will it be devonshire tea and pastries?

[nodrog:Me]

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