Dave Moss "Thank you very much for your hospitality, interest, and on bike successes"

[AllanB]

I for one found Mr T's after sales advice very good. And it was 'free'.

I have yet to read a post from one of his customers who has not been happy.

[JD Racing]

If you can de-emotionalise this JD actually has a very valid point about US companies ( I will remove suspension and assert not neccessarily just US based companies) producing false invoices. I was ( totally without prompting ) offered a false invoice just last week from a US supplier ( non suspension related ) and politely declined being a part of what is fraud. This practice which is widespread is seriously undermining NZ businesses.

I havent got the foggiest idea who JD is but from posts that he made several years back its obvious that he is a suspension company in another country. He is entitled to his opinion and doesnt need to adhere to your less than polite request.

Not yet he isn't but it's looking increasingly likely, it's a legitimate legal possibility, there was once a serious consideration of a South Island suspension business but where would be the incentive to invest at the level required to do the job properly when anyone can step off a plane and be applauded.

[NZsarge]

AND if the guy who "invited" Dave here made money out of it, then that guy is just a dickhead, easy as.

Quite the opposite actually, you know, there are actually decent people out there, surprising I know but true...

[SuperSonic]

This thread has being high jack in so many ways, but to say my bit I also need to high jack this "thank you to NZ" thread by Dave Moss. Once i have finished I will not be returning to make more comments unless it is about thank you's.

So the wild comments from JDracing, I have a few questions for you MR JDracing, one did you come to a Dave Moss Seminar while he was in NZ making our follow riders safer??? I am guessing NO right? Second question, did you talk to Dave Moss about financials at all? Again I am guessing NO am I right? In which case all your comments regarding this are made up by yourself and have no merit at all with no support or any truth to them. So stop talking rubbish and go spread your powerful wisdom else were please. If what you say about setting up business in NZ has any merit to it then the way you are conducting yourself on here tells me that your business will not float.

[Gianz]

Not so skilled? Come and spend a day or two in our workshop and find out, also evidence the heavy investment in equipment we have. The devil as is so often the case is in the detail. We one on one actually convey a LOT of setup information to our customers. Also evidence the many posts on here where I have helped people understand suspension, making things a whole lot less obscure. All things that Dave Moss does. Im not that comfortable behind a camera and in any event are always accused of being over serious, thats just the way I am, but you get a square deal and I resent the ( misunderstood ) accusation of hefty prices. Perhaps if we had less investment and cut corners we could offer lower prices, but that Im not prepared to do.
Every day we also see work that has been done by new ''experts'' or theyve read all about it on the net so ''anyone can do it''. Thankfully not everyone is stupid but its sobering to think that when you are mucking around with this stuff youve got the potential to hurt or even kill people and Daves message is also( very correctly ) safety.

I'm just saying it's not rocket science. There's people doing my job as an hobby, and thinking they get good results. Very few of them do. There are some in my profession that should stop doing it.
And for the camera part, I can't give you any advice, I've heard of people hanging themselves after seeing a video of me.

[Edbear]

Not so skilled? Come and spend a day or two in our workshop and find out, also evidence the heavy investment in equipment we have. The devil as is so often the case is in the detail. We one on one actually convey a LOT of setup information to our customers. Also evidence the many posts on here where I have helped people understand suspension, making things a whole lot less obscure. All things that Dave Moss does. Im not that comfortable behind a camera and in any event are always accused of being over serious, thats just the way I am, but you get a square deal and I resent the ( misunderstood ) accusation of hefty prices. Perhaps if we had less investment and cut corners we could offer lower prices, but that Im not prepared to do.
Every day we also see work that has been done by new ''experts'' or theyve read all about it on the net so ''anyone can do it''. Thankfully not everyone is stupid but its sobering to think that when you are mucking around with this stuff youve got the potential to hurt or even kill people and Daves message is also( very correctly ) safety.

Therein lies the rub! You have to be repsonsible for your work and if someone is killed or injured after you have done their set-up you are in the gun until you prove it wasn't what you did that caused the accident or failure. In business we need to have enough PL Insurance and that is not cheap either. Sure, "everyone's" an expert and "everyone" can do it, few actually do though, and fewer back themselves with the support of insurance and facilities, staff and rep.

Much easier to be a keyboard critic, eh..?

[SVboy]

Wow, sad that this thread has taken this direction.
1/Dave was invited here thru the passion and interest of Supersonic.Dave accepted because he has a passion to communicate with and to upskill riders, making them better,safer and faster. A great opportunity for bike enthusiasists in NZ.
2/Those that took the opportunity to meet Dave at his seminars and trackdays can attest to his huge knowledge,experience
and ability to communicate well.
3/Only Dave and SS know the financial structure and legalities involved in this venture ; any other comment is just speculation at best,nasty stirring at worst.
4/NZ is blessed with talent such as RT, Kerry Dukic and others, but their business models are understandably different to Daves. If Daves work generates more suspension work for these people, everybody wins. IF RT takes the time and trouble to post UTUBE clips that I can learn from, I am grateful, not picky.

[Mort]

Wow, sad that this thread has taken this direction.
1/Dave was invited here thru the passion and interest of Supersonic.Dave accepted because he has a passion to communicate with and to upskill riders, making them better,safer and faster. A great opportunity for bike enthusiasists in NZ.
2/Those that took the opportunity to meet Dave at his seminars and trackdays can attest to his huge knowledge,experience
and ability to communicate well.
3/Only Dave and SS know the financial structure and legalities involved in this venture ; any other comment is just speculation at best,nasty stirring at worst.
4/NZ is blessed with talent such as RT, Kerry Dukic and others, but their business models are understandably different to Daves. If Daves work generates more suspension work for these people, everybody wins. IF RT takes the time and trouble to post UTUBE clips that I can learn from, I am grateful, not picky.

Dead right there... I really liked what Dave did to my bike and it opened my eyes to suspension improvements (so I benefited). I attended the Honda and PMCC days at Taupo partly because Dave Moss was there (so they benefited) and when I get the readies together I'll be going to see Dr. Robert (so he'll benefit). What JD is saying is just bitter sentiment (based on what I dont know). Dave did not take anything from NZ, he contributed and there are many that have benefited from the programme he and Sam put together. If he made a few bucks or even covered his costs it most certainly is not a matter for JD to discuss here. I hope he comes back next year.

[gripper]

is JDracing robert's alter ego ? hmm

[wasiler]

Wow, sad that this thread has taken this direction.
1/Dave was invited here thru the passion and interest of Supersonic.Dave accepted because he has a passion to communicate with and to upskill riders, making them better,safer and faster. A great opportunity for bike enthusiasists in NZ.
2/Those that took the opportunity to meet Dave at his seminars and trackdays can attest to his huge knowledge,experience
and ability to communicate well.
3/Only Dave and SS know the financial structure and legalities involved in this venture ; any other comment is just speculation at best,nasty stirring at worst.
4/NZ is blessed with talent such as RT, Kerry Dukic and others, but their business models are understandably different to Daves. If Daves work generates more suspension work for these people, everybody wins. IF RT takes the time and trouble to post UTUBE clips that I can learn from, I am grateful, not picky.

Thank you, could not have said it better myself. I think it was very nice of him to come out here and I thank him and all the people that was able to make this possible.

Every single one of us puts our life at risk when we jump on a motorcycle, no matter how safe or visible the person is. We all accept that responsibility. If the information is free, affordable and correct (which is true with Moss), I don't care about the legalities because I am accepting the responsibility for my safety. What is the alternative to this, do nothing because someone can't afford to get their bike properly set up and maintained...or even worse, just go out and start taking a wild guess...Any help is better than no help.

I doubt whoever paid for his ticket out here, made their money back. A round trip plane ticket probably costs around $2500 so at $50 a head, he would have to have 50 people to break even. Then include rental, hotel and food, that is even more. So, that does not seem like a good business venture to me.

It is a shame which direction this thread has taken.

[Robert Taylor]

is JDracing robert's alter ego ? hmm

Check out JD racings history of posts, also check out my scathing comments about those who post very acidicly but only behind their forum name. Some of JDs comments raise fair enough questions, as it happens. DaveMoss does a good job, as it happens. I do have questions for Dave, as it happens.

[300weatherby]

Check out JD racings history of posts, also check out my scathing comments about those who post very acidicly but only behind their forum name. Some of JDs comments raise fair enough questions, as it happens. DaveMoss does a good job, as it happens. I do have questions for Dave, as it happens.

Such as?, or are they secret squirrel........

[ckai]

Sometimes I wish I was Mr Fantastic so I could bitch slap a good chunk of society.



Gotta say, this year has been brilliant for getting some bloody good, internationally proven and praised, bike related knowledge. It also just so happened to be the year where all my finances have had the life sucked out of them. Good to hear Dave's planning on coming back. Maybe next year I can jump at the opportunity.

[Robert Taylor]

Such as?, or are they secret squirrel........

All positive stuff..............

[slowpoke]

Wow, sad that this thread has taken this direction.
1/Dave was invited here thru the passion and interest of Supersonic.Dave accepted because he has a passion to communicate with and to upskill riders, making them better,safer and faster. A great opportunity for bike enthusiasists in NZ.
2/Those that took the opportunity to meet Dave at his seminars and trackdays can attest to his huge knowledge,experience
and ability to communicate well.
3/Only Dave and SS know the financial structure and legalities involved in this venture ; any other comment is just speculation at best,nasty stirring at worst.
4/NZ is blessed with talent such as RT, Kerry Dukic and others, but their business models are understandably different to Daves. If Daves work generates more suspension work for these people, everybody wins. IF RT takes the time and trouble to post UTUBE clips that I can learn from, I am grateful, not picky.

Why is it sad? Surely anybody can ask a simple question, it's only a question, nobody is insulting his mother or anything.

From what you are saying you think it's ok for a passionate experienced backpacking taxi driver from Europe to start ferrying paying passengers around Wellington to earn some pocket money and local taxi drivers should just accept it. Sorry, but I think the taxi drivers would have every right to ask questions about the arrangement.

I'm no stickler for following the rules but where my livelihood is concerned I'd be fukn pissed off if I or one of my mates was done out of a job or work because a tourist was after a bit of pocket money, so it's aboslutely fair play for RT and JD to ask a simple question.