The value of money has dropped by two thirds in 30 years

[mashman]

Dont worry all is well
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...assed-into-law


Ocean1 , who deserve it ..... do you really want me to answer that throwaway line , try people who have mental issues, or parents who have responsibilities at home

Stephen

I guess we'll find out in the fullness of time. Gonna be hard on a few folk given the number of jobs available.

[Ocean1]

Dont worry all is well
?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...assed-into-law

What is it in particular amongst the new rules that you object to?

Dole bludgers have the right to spend their alms on hooch? Solo mothers have a right to endless cash for endless fatherless sprogs? What?

Ocean1 , who deserve it ..... do you really want me to answer that throwaway line , try people who have mental issues, or parents who have responsibilities at home

It wasn't my throwaway line, it was yours. Have a wee look back a couple pages. I was simply pointing out that a pension differs from other "benefits" insomuch that the recipients earned it. Literally.

As for the genuinely needy, I've said numerous times I understand and agree with taxpayer support of such. I just don't believe you can insist that every worker is worth a minimim of $X/hr and then blame "the system" when that turns out not to be the case.

[blue rider]

migrants an benefits

http://fullfact.org/factchecks/immig...benefits-28846

and for refuge seekers etc

http://www.turn2us.org.uk/informatio.../migrants.aspx


the graph is from 2011...so the numbes would be slightly changed...and ofcourse is for ennglad, which would include the scots and the welsh!

what it shows, is that a large number of "benefits" are spend on pensions, than housing (this benefit is directly paid to landlords - talk about subsidizing slums!), and to support working people in low paying jobs.

considering that jobs that are outsourced to cheap manufacturing countries are often only replaced with low paying service jobs, we have a dilemma.

a. we go to the governemtn and ask for assistance on housing/food/heating etc

b. we go to ge government and ask for it to regulate a housing market that is out of bounds, establish a "living wage" requirement.

And this is not just a Kiwi Problem, or an english problem or an EU problem or an USA problem...it is becoming a problem of the socalled "first world", our world. Maybe we want to be careful about of what we abolish, lest we ever loose our jobs, have a life changing accident, etc..


However I do understand that all these benefit receiving humans, are all less than humans, that thety only deserve our scorn, considering that My Money...will be so much better spend on dear leader travelling to China and advising the Parents of this country to have their children study mandarin/cantonese instead of other stuff.

[gwigs]

The money program

[Banditbandit]

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However I do understand that all these benefit receiving humans, are all less than humans, that thety only deserve our scorn, considering that My Money...will be so much better spend on dear leader travelling to China and advising the Parents of this country to have their children study mandarin/cantonese instead of other stuff.

And don't forget saying that if there was a war with Chinese Ally North Korea that GodZone wil be on the side of the USA ...

DOH !!!

[Banditbandit]

It wasn't my throwaway line, it was yours. Have a wee look back a couple pages. I was simply pointing out that a pension differs from other "benefits" insomuch that the recipients earned it. Literally.

BULLSHIT !!! That was never the point of the Government pensions - it was to support people who truly needed it. It was never there to pay for the lifestyles of the rich who do not need it .. the pension (established by a Left-wing Governmetn remember) was just part of the safety net system ... it was the right wing middle and upper class people who insisted that they should get it to "because we've paid taxes all our lives" .. that's a bullshit argument ...

As for the genuinely needy, I've said numerous times I understand and agree with taxpayer support of such. I just don't believe you can insist that every worker is worth a minimim of $X/hr and then blame "the system" when that turns out not to be the case.

And our wonderful Government is about to add to the dole lines by pulling out the hospital kitchens and giving the contract to British-based multi-national Compass ... make people in the hosptals redundent and send all the profits off-shore ... talk about seling our coutry to foreigners ..

That makes great economic sense doesnt it ... more money needed to pay the dole and more money pouring off-shore (let alone the health effects ...) . shifting the costs from the health budget to the benefits budget - then scream about "dole bludgers and beneficiaries ..."

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=Ocean1;1130529102]What is it in particular amongst the new rules that you object to?

Dole bludgers have the right to spend their alms on hooch? Solo mothers have a right to endless cash for endless fatherless sprogs? What?



It wasn't my throwaway line, it was yours. Have a wee look back a couple pages. I was simply pointing out that a pension differs from other "benefits" insomuch that the recipients earned it. Literally.

As for the genuinely needy, I've said numerous times I understand and agree with taxpayer support of such. I just don't believe you can insist that every worker is worth a minimim of $X/hr and then blame "the system" when that turns out not to be the case.[/QUOT

I wish life was as easy as you make it out to be
Bene bashing is just vote grabbing and will not save much , white western Calvinistic people from the never had it so good generation love this kind of shit , and kinda forget that they got to where they are under socialist ideals , kinda" I worked hard" and forgetting that now it take 2 people to work hard ,,,,,
When will people realise this is all IMF policy and thaat NZ is the poster child , butt buddy and IF it continues , All the problems America has now as well as Briatain are and WILL come to a community near you
I wouldnt wish that upon my worst enemy "

Have read back and nope cant find "my throwaway line "

Stephen

Who can actually say " I didn’t stand back and do nothing "

[Ocean1]

BULLSHIT !!! That was never the point of the Government pensions - it was to support people who truly needed it. It was never there to pay for the lifestyles of the rich who do not need it .. the pension (established by a Left-wing Governmetn remember) was just part of the safety net system ... it was the right wing middle and upper class people who insisted that they should get it to "because we've paid taxes all our lives" .. that's a bullshit argument ...

It's not an arguement at all. It's a fact, retired taxpayers earned the money required to pay all subsidies, including pensions.

And our wonderful Government is about to add to the dole lines by pulling out the hospital kitchens and giving the contract to British-based multi-national Compass ... make people in the hosptals redundent and send all the profits off-shore ... talk about seling our coutry to foreigners ..

That makes great economic sense doesnt it ... more money needed to pay the dole and more money pouring off-shore (let alone the health effects ...) . shifting the costs from the health budget to the benefits budget - then scream about "dole bludgers and beneficiaries ..."

Saving health budget resources to pay for health issues? Yeah, makes perfect sense. If the existing service suppliers are any good at what they do they'll have a new boss, if not then they'll have to find something they are good at doing, on someone else's tab.

[Ocean1]

I wish life was as easy as you make it out to be
Bene bashing is just vote grabbing and will not save much , white western Calvinistic people from the never had it so good generation love this kind of shit , and kinda forget that they got to where they are under socialist ideals , kinda" I worked hard" and forgetting that now it take 2 people to work hard ,,,,,
When will people realise this is all IMF policy and thaat NZ is the poster child , butt buddy and IF it continues , All the problems America has now as well as Briatain are and WILL come to a community near you
I wouldnt wish that upon my worst enemy "

Have read back and nope cant find "my throwaway line "

Stephen

Who can actually say " I didn’t stand back and do nothing "

Life is easier now and here than at any time in history. If you don't find it so then either you're not doing it right, or you've got a very, very selective memory.

And on that topic:

There IS an argument , to reduce the other payouts in order to pay the oldies , ie reduce the bludgers and give that saving to the oldies

Sting the dole, sickies , and give it to the oldies , thereby paying the same total amount but giving it to the people who deserve it

How do they deserve it?

the oldies who built NZ deserve the it ...

When beliefs are as entrenched as yours are you can research till the cows come home, and everything you read, absolutely everything fits your percieved world view. You can read a whole thread and see nothing but proof that you're right and others are wrong.

Unless, of course you actually read it.

[mashman]

Life is easier now and here than at any time in history. If you don't find it so then either you're not doing it right, or you've got a very, very selective memory.

I reckon the "Homelessness fears for millions without savings" would disagree with you. It may be easier, but it ain't cheaper and that's what makes life anything but easier. Money has a lot to answer for.

[Ocean1]

I reckon the "Homelessness fears for millions without savings" would disagree with you.

Probably. But those in that situation are likely to have learned as little at school in history as they did in the subjects that might have led to a more productive carreer.

It may be easier, but it ain't cheaper and that's what makes life anything but easier. Money has a lot to answer for.

It's the same thing. Cheaper = more value for less money = easier to achieve. So yes, money has to answer for modern society's easy lifestyle.

[Brian d marge]

Life is easier now and here than at any time in history. If you don't find it so then either you're not doing it right, or you've got a very, very selective memory.

And on that topic:









When beliefs are as entrenched as yours are you can research till the cows come home, and everything you read, absolutely everything fits your percieved world view. You can read a whole thread and see nothing but proof that you're right and others are wrong.

Unless, of course you actually read it.

whooo thats pot/ kettle

would you like a photo of me library .? and say a screenshot of me bookmarks ?

and it isnt my view of the world ITS WHAT IS HAPPENING

So , your electricity hasnt gone through the roof
your Acc hasnt gone up
your Rego hasnt gone up
house prices have gone through the ceiling
a country full of bad teeth and eyes
student loans and their effect ?
your pension when it comes ( IF it comes )

none of these things and these are all figment of my feverish imagination ........


Pity we dont have TUI here ....

Stephen

easier now than anytime in history ?? I dont think so ...even peasants had a better life!

[mashman]

Probably. But those in that situation are likely to have learned as little at school in history as they did in the subjects that might have led to a more productive carreer.

It's the same thing. Cheaper = more value for less money = easier to achieve. So yes, money has to answer for modern society's easy lifestyle.

That's one hell of an assumption there. We were in a similar position when we got our first house 10 years ago and I'm not wholly uneducated. Tis a shit that the cost of living is so high that pretty much everything that you earn goes into the house, bills, vehicle maintenance, insurances etc... innit. Effort is effort, irrespective of how it is financially measured.

Although in the case of the OP, More Expensive = more money for less value = harder to save. Money = bad m'kay.

[Ocean1]

Effort is effort, irrespective of how it is financially measured.

That's true. And in spite of the fact that civilisation has used currency as a unit of value for milennia idiots occasionally still expect to be get paid for their effort, rather than the value they've produced with that effort.

Although in the case of the OP, More Expensive = more money for less value = harder to save. Money = bad m'kay.

The OP didn't comment on his current income, as I recall. There was an endearingly simplistic bleat about the number of dollars used to quantify te value of purchases, but fuck all about the number of dollars in his pay packet.

[mashman]

That's true. And in spite of the fact that civilisation has used currency as a unit of value for milennia idiots occasionally still expect to be get paid for their effort, rather than the value they've produced with that effort.

The OP didn't comment on his current income, as I recall. There was an endearingly simplistic bleat about the number of dollars used to quantify te value of purchases, but fuck all about the number of dollars in his pay packet.

Too many overvalued, too many undervalued... hmmmm, I wonder who does the valuation. The two don't really tally anymore do they? Not that they ever really did, but it seems to be going from one extreme to the other. It can't end well.

There wasn't a need to comment on the income, as it is the value of the good/service that means you get less value for more money.