Should we give 500 Production Racing a try?

[gammaguy]

You guys are all biking up the wrong tree

What we need is a way to get more people into motorcycling,so I reckon make a class for all those young fullas that buy those cheap Chinese clip on engines for their pushbike and terrorize their neighborhood and scare all the old folk on their mobility scooters on the footpaths.

Clean up the streets,get more racing,bigger crowds especially pimply faced yoofs and their slags...er....girlfriends too.

Fuck,ya might even get a govmint handout for a youth project.

Who's with me?

Hmmmmmm......mobility scooters....now there's another idea.....

[slowpoke]

If grass growing is your thing then i would recomend the Yates grass strain Type: H34-222, its known for its spectacular speed of up to 1cm per day !, the 2nd best option is to take up train spotting or as a back-up to that you could try attending a MNZ road-race workshop for a true test of ones attention span.....

Hey, sounds good! The Minister for War and Finance reckon's "we" (meaning me) have to rehab some lawn........although I'm guessing H34-222 only thrives in the rarefied confines of a certain greenhouse supplied by a certain company in Palmerston North....and just happens to be Kawasaki green? Bewdy! Finally something to get excited about!

[FROSTY:Me]

Ya know what guys theres a guy out there quietly introducing a LOT of potential young racers to road bike racing.
Hes doing it by getting into the engineering classes of schoools all over NZ.
The Year 11 and 12 students are able to build a race sidecar or bike based around a little loncin engine. Then about this time of year they have a race meeting and race the little things.
Such a cool way to get people started racing.

[Biggles08]

We have NO Champs Classes for learners - each and every Nationals Class is a valid stand-alone Championship for those who choose to compete in it ........

One of the major reasons we have low Competitor numbers in Champs races is this bullshit mindset that only SuperBikes is valid, and only 600's are a real apprenticeship for them. Fine if you've got Genuine aspirations of World Dominance - but most of us havent !

Riders DONT choose to ride in those two for A/ personal reasons, B/ budgetary constraints, C/ no interest in any Class other their current one, D/ dont want to be denigrated for being "slow" up against the "fast" guys

The only one of the above we all as riders can do anything about is D ........ ENCOURAGE guys with suitable bikes to get out with the Nats guys and have a go, dont put them off !!!!!

Its not often we agree budda but you are bang on with your last point. Many 'club riders' are talented enough not to get in the way of the 'fast boys' and should be entering into the national class. There is no better way to get faster than to be on the track with fast guys.

I would argue against the main reason for low numbers being an attitude that Superbikes and Supersport is the only valid class (everyone knows Supersport is the only valid class after all ;-)), I would say the main reason is budget contraints. And lets be honest, it doesn't matter what national class you are serious about competitng in it will be expensive to be at the front.

[FROSTY:Me]

Its not often we agree budda but you are bang on with your last point. Many 'club riders' are talented enough not to get in the way of the 'fast boys' and should be entering into the national class. There is no better way to get faster than to be on the track with fast guys..

Ya know what maybee its not intended but you seem to be implying that the "fast guys" have some automatic right of way.
THEY DON"T and its that implication thats just plumb wrong.
Yes you still have the ol 110% rule during qualifying. But other than in a blue flag senario its the "fast guys" who have to be carefull passing the "slow" guys. Have a read of your rule book -rule 6.10 specifically.

[quickbuck]

Ya know what maybee its not intended but you seem to be implying that the "fast guys" have some automatic right of way.
THEY DON"T and its that implication thats just plumb wrong.
Yes you still have the ol 110% rule during qualifying. But other than in a blue flag senario its the "fast guys" who have to be carefull passing the "slow" guys. Have a read of your rule book -rule 6.10 specifically.

I don't think that is what Biggles meant at all....

I think he meant that if you are a Club Racer and you are about to be lapped then you will follow a line that is predictable and the fast guys can go around you....
If you are a Club Racer and are battling with the "Fast Guys" up the front, then you ARE one of the "Fast Guys"....

If he didn't mean that then yeah..... Rule 6.10 explains all...

[Biggles08]

Ya know what maybee its not intended but you seem to be implying that the "fast guys" have some automatic right of way.
THEY DON"T and its that implication thats just plumb wrong.
Yes you still have the ol 110% rule during qualifying. But other than in a blue flag senario its the "fast guys" who have to be carefull passing the "slow" guys. Have a read of your rule book -rule 6.10 specifically.

You been drinking Frosty? :-P

The only thing that matters on the race track is there are no dangerously slow racers out there. Hell I've been one of those 'lapped' riders you are refering to and the only way I managed to get faster not to get lapped was to race with those guys lapping me. Re-read my post and you will soon see it is meant almost exactly opposite as to how you have taken it