How to keep up on a small bike

[oneofsix]

Maybe .... in a few years ... DDM will be TEC on a group ride.

Similar instructions will be given re: your following rider.


He may find himself in a ditch.






And nobody stops.

Ohhh a friendly caring bunch aren't we? Disagree with someone and wish them in a ditch without help.

[Howie]

I'll explain what is wrong with you,,, Seriously!


Last Tuesday the 'tail end charlie' rider was a tad miffed on arrival at the destination... Why? A simple instruction, if you lose sight of the rider behind in your mirrors, STOP. by doing this, the 'crocodile' soon comes to a halt and the lead rider(s) can retrace back to the 'problem'... One rider DIDNT stop, so the other 95% of the group arrived at the destination almost 10 minutes ahead of 'tail end charlie' and one very novice rider...... Had there been an accident? the rest of the group and other organiser were none the wiser....... all because one rider didnt do as asked in the group situation.

But I guess that is just being a Dictator, isnt it?

Wasn't going to comment in here but some of the comments by Senior riders, and mature people are getting to me.

A few points I see from a different perspective as I was not on "the ride" but happened to ride down to the Wainuiomata Coast at approximately the same time, and park in the same parking area.


a few observations from the outside of this group by someone with over 30 years riding experience, which includes being a Road ride organiser for a popular bike club in the 1980's, being a clerk of course at race meetings, and MNZ club steward at various times. (Currently none of the above)


1, I rode past 2 riders stopped on the side of the road, slowed a bit and got a thumbs up that all was ok.

2, I parked in the same park as the group on this ride.

3, Not ONE person on ride asked me if I had passed anyone, and this is down a no exit road for 15+ KM. so the senior riders are really concerned about safety???

4, I spoke to one rider who I had met recently on another ride.

5, When the 2 bikes that I'd past earlier arrived. The person who I would have to assume was the TEC launches into what I would describe as a highly offensive and abusive tirade about who ever didn't stop when they lost sight of the bike behind and basically demanded to know who it was.


6, I was actually embarrassed to be there! And that doesn't happen easily


7, I had observed the Tuesday night thread occasionally, and thought that these rides sounded like a good idea and that I might get involved with them at some stage, but what I saw Tuesday put me right off that idea.


Maybe some of the "senior Riders" need to look at the reasons they are involved?

[Katman]

Maybe some of the "senior Riders" need to look at the reasons they are involved?

Can we still laugh about the meltdown?

[bosslady]

I don't expect anyone to agree with what I say on principle. If they choose to...*bleat*.....My statement makes logical sense if you apply critical thinking. If it doesn't, please for the love of all things motorbikes prove me wrong....As ego deflating as it is.....I'll rather be humilated than ignorant.


Whew....so basically those rides ain't for jackasses.....Apart from NASS or SASS are there anything similiar in auckland? If there's one thing I enjoy more than riding, it's riding WITH people.....A grin graces my face everytime I wave and get waved by a passing rider. That is one of my favourite parts of riding.

Don't think so, that I know of, that not your thing? sass or nass I mean

Ohhh a friendly caring bunch aren't we? Disagree with someone and wish them in a ditch without help.

I am certain that's not his wish, rhetorical.

[Jantar]

...... I am certain that's not his wish, rhetorical.

Knowing how much FJrider goes out of his way to assist other riders I know that wasn't his wish. Merely a possibility.

[FJRider]

Ohhh a friendly caring bunch aren't we? Disagree with someone and wish them in a ditch without help.

Not so much "uncaring" ... but Karma can be a bitch.

[Maha]

Last Tuesday the 'tail end charlie' rider was a tad miffed on arrival at the destination... Why? A simple instruction, if you lose sight of the rider behind in your mirrors, STOP. by doing this, the 'crocodile' soon comes to a halt and the lead rider(s) can retrace back to the 'problem'... One rider DIDNT stop, so the other 95% of the group arrived at the destination almost 10 minutes ahead of 'tail end charlie' and one very novice rider...... Had there been an accident? the rest of the group and other organiser were none the wiser....... all because one rider didnt do as asked in the group situation.

But I guess that is just being a Dictator, isnt it?

We have tried that 'if you lose sight of the rider behind in your mirrors, STOP' scenario only the once on our group rides...it failed.
Wont ever use it again...I now split the group in the more managable numbers of 6-8 bikes.
The group leader has full control of what goes on and I advise that, if they (the group leader) loose sight of his/her TEC, then simply slow the pace up for 1-2 kms until they catch up..works a treat.
On two occassions, I have had leaders just go on ahead and not give a second thought to those following, lesson learned and it wont happen again.

I personally always lead the slower/newer riders and use the 'slow it up' technique to great effect.
Every rider within the group should have the organisers cell number.

[oneofsix]

Can we still laugh about the meltdown?

I am certain that's not his wish, rhetorical.

Having been there and watch it, this and another thread unfold I don't think so.

[Katman]

Having been there and watch it, this and another thread unfold I don't think so.

I don't understand that post but it's late on a Friday.

One or the other of us may have been drinking.

[bosslady]

Having been there and watch it, this and another thread unfold I don't think so.

he likes to wind ppl up sometimes sure, but I firmly believe he does not wish ill of anyone. Agree to disagree.

[yungatart]

excuse me, who the fuck are you to tell me to shut up , I am not you partner or your husband or kid, and I am certainly not you bitch, you cant tell me to shut up....



seriously what is wrong with you...

She is the ride organiser, if it all turns tits up, she is the one who wears the blame, the police investigation, possibly a coronial inquest, and someone's death on her conscience! If you don't like the way she organises it, you don't have to ride on that ride. Simple eh?

Have we just discovered the next DB?

Oh, God, please, no....

[Katman]

Having been there and watch it, this and another thread unfold I don't think so.

Fuck me, I've just figured out your post.

I was talking about the handbag throwing tantrum meltdown.

I don't know which is worse - that you didn't figure that out or that you thought I was looking forward to laughing at a motorcycle accident.

[Mom]

She is the ride organiser, if it all turns tits up, she is the one who wears the blame, the police investigation, possibly a coronial inquest, and someone's death on her conscience! If you don't like the way she organises it, you don't have to ride on that ride. Simple eh?


Oh, God, please, no....

Some.People.Are.A.Bit.Dull.

DB was simply a Dangerous Bastard on a greater level than we realised

[oneofsix]

Not so much "uncaring" ... but Karma can be a bitch.

In that case you had better ride safe.

Yes, as Ratti has outed, DDM did make a mistake and owned it on the night in the face of a very angry rant which in itself took kahuna's, but any discussion of why the cock-up was made or what improvements could be made get shouted down. Perhaps people will look at Maha's post as he is not an L-plater, however personally I see the mirrors technique can work but need some supporting actions as well.

There should be plenty of grammar and spelling in there to have a go at so that the message can be avoided - enjoy.

[GTRMAN]

Can we still laugh about the meltdown?

Absolutely!