How to keep up on a small bike

[Ratti]

Finally....I was telling my BaldEagle this morning that the one thing I hadn't yet seen on the thread was the inevitable popcorn post...must just about be a KB record for it to have taken this long to pop up. Thanks Shrek!

Dragon has contacted me via pm and I think we have it sorted now.
DDM has also contacted me via pm.

I think we can leave this thread alone now Peoples, entertaining tho it has been, the issues are under control. Lessons have been learnt ( let's see if they are applied ) and bling received from some unexpected people.....( you ok there Katman? I worry about you sometimes dude )

Moving right along, the Tuesday Ride lives on. See you there.

[MSTRS:Me]

Who's gunna turn the lights off and lock up tho?

[Mom]

you did obey the rules or got told to push off or shut up & listen, end of story sonny

Who's gunna turn the lights off and lock up tho?

Good way to end it...

[Mrs Shrek]

Who's gunna turn the lights off and lock up tho?

the "goodnight Kiwi" of course

[GrayWolf]

aka

I wish you'd read the theory before making such ridiculous comments KM, the theory of 'Flow' is about skill and challenge, absorption, in an activity so it is enjoyable. The Zone as it is so often called and you are calling a can of worms?
I can only assume from that, you NEVER enjoy riding? obviously to you, a state of 'flow' is not acceptable to the riding experience.. In which case I actually pity you, how sad it must be for your riding to be such a chore!

[Katman]

I wish you'd read the theory before making such ridiculous comments KM, the theory of 'Flow' is about skill and challenge, absorption, in an activity so it is enjoyable. The Zone as it is so often called and you are calling a can of worms?
I can only assume from that, you NEVER enjoy riding? obviously to you, a state of 'flow' is not acceptable to the riding experience.. In which case I actually pity you, how sad it must be for your riding to be such a chore!

There has been lengthy discussion on here before about this 'Zone'.

Far too many see it as a state of intense focus on what they're 'doing' - to the detriment of being fully aware of what's going on around them.

[Mushu]

There has been lengthy discussion on here before about this 'Zone'.

Far too many see it as a state of intense focus on what they're 'doing' - to the detriment of being fully aware of what's going on around them.

That's really just people not understanding the message, there are always those that fell the need to ride flat out all the time, they have missed the point entirely.

If done correctly the flow feels like a slow cruise despite often actually being at high speed, it's all about anticipating what's happening and reacting ahead of time where possible.

It should be learned at slow pace, and you know you're in the 'zone' if you look at your speedo and you think it's broken cos there no way your riding that fast.

A few weeks ago I was riding the leader valley on the r6 just enjoying the ride trying to stay subdued, at one point I looked down and saw the speedo reading 50ks higher than I expected it to be, that is the flow/zone.

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[Katman]

If done correctly the flow feels like a slow cruise despite often actually being at high speed, it's all about anticipating what's happening and reacting ahead of time where possible.

It should be learned at slow pace, and you know you're in the 'zone' if you look at your speedo and you think it's broken cos there no way your riding that fast.

A few weeks ago I was riding the leader valley on the r6 just enjoying the ride trying to stay subdued, at one point I looked down and saw the speedo reading 50ks higher than I expected it to be, that is the flow/zone.

Yep, that's why I think the whole thing's a crock of shit.

[bosslady]

Yep, that's why I think the whole thing's a crock of shit.

You said a sweary

[Katman]

Not a bad book by any means... I would suggest the DEFINITIVE book to read is the Uk Police, Motorcycle Roadcraft manual. That and it's car oriented Roadcraft Manual, are probably the MOST definitive books and are the ones used as the basis for most advanced driving/riding schools. They are NOT track oriented, but purely 'road skills' for the rider/driver....

What does this book say about 'The Zone' GW?

[FJRider]

I wish you'd read the theory before making such ridiculous comments KM, the theory of 'Flow' is about skill and challenge, absorption, in an activity so it is enjoyable. The Zone as it is so often called and you are calling a can of worms?
I can only assume from that, you NEVER enjoy riding? obviously to you, a state of 'flow' is not acceptable to the riding experience.. In which case I actually pity you, how sad it must be for your riding to be such a chore!

It is enjoyable ... but a selfish state of mind to be in.

It not the speed that is the problem at such times ... just the entire focus of what immediately concerns your attention as each second passes. No thought of what (or who) may be entering "Your Zone" ... and how that may affect your actions. Or the results of those actions.

Theories are all well and good .... but few take into account the exceptions that affect the theories.

For most "in the zone" ... it is just ME and NOW ...

[Mushu]

Yep, that's why I think the whole thing's a crock of shit.

So you have completely missed the point as well, the speed is not the goal, smooth is the goal, you are still on the road and still responsible for your own actions.

Any racer will agree that you have to be smooth to be fast no matter what kind of racing they do. So if you are working on being smooth you will tend to bring the speed up but without leaving your comfort zone, as soon as you push past your abilities you lose the flow and must slow down to regain it.

If I am riding in the zone my attention doesn't just disappear you still watch the road and identify risks, I may ignore the speedo or the mirrors but that is my decision I choose where and when, and has nothing to do with the flow.

The risks you take are completely up to you. Flow or not.

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[Katman]

So you have completely missed the point as well, the speed is not the goal, smooth is the goal, you are still on the road and still responsible for your own actions.

You can try to talk up the virtues of 'The Zone' all you like. (I do actually know what you're talking about).

I just happen to think there is no value to be gained in promoting it.

[Mushu]

You can try to talk up the virtues of 'The Zone' all you like. (I do actually know what you're talking about).

I just happen to think there is no value to be gained in promoting it.

Conversely, my way of thinking is that it teaches newer riders (once they're comfortable on their machines and have plenty of traffic experience ) to recognise their limits and how to safely overcome them with practice.

I understand that you have probably seen the effects of when this goes wrong, but there are people who shouldn't be riding, whether they don't have the coordination or the self control, or the ability to read the road. These things can be overcome with practice if somebody recognises it. If it's not picked up these people are destined to crash.

The flow isn't for everyone, some people aren't smart enough to recognise where their comfort zone lies. I wouldn't ride with these people.

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[Katman]

Conversely, my way of thinking is that it teaches newer riders (once they're comfortable on their machines and have plenty of traffic experience ) to recognise their limits and how to safely overcome them with practice.

New riders are the last people who should be encouraged to search out a mystical 'Zone'.

They have plenty enough things to be concentrating on already.