How to keep up on a small bike

[GrayWolf]

Well since Graywolf's not going to answer the question, I'm going to go out on a limb (because I haven't read the whole book) and say that the book says nothing about 'The Zone'.

I'm going to put that down to the fact that the writers of the book also think the whole 'Zone' thing is something best left off the road.

Graywolf is welcome to try correcting me on that though.

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Isnt it a bitch when someone acts just like you, and ignores a reasonable request, or wont respond in a reasonable fashion, Steve?

[Katman]

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Isnt it a bitch when someone acts just like you, and ignores a reasonable request, or wont respond in a reasonable fashion, Steve?

Don't worry, I've answered the question for us.

[Katman]

Isnt it a bitch when someone acts just like you, and ignores a reasonable request, or wont respond in a reasonable fashion, Steve?

I've taken the liberty of going back through our conversation Graywolf. Care to point out where I've ignored a reasonable request or not responded in a reasonable manner?

I have mentioned a Psychological theory before in KB, the theory of 'Flow' in any task. If you read it, it may help you take note of you own performance and monitor your 'feelings' during a ride. Very basically it's a scale of Skill Vs Challenge..

.low skill high challenge = anxiety or no enjoyment, not able to 'learn' stress
high skill vs low challenge= bordom
challenge equal to the skill results in a state of 'flow' or complete absorption in the activity....... most long standing riders will likely know the feeling, when you may have a pillion and they complain you only stop for fuel... or you are in a 'group ride' and to 'you' they are stopping too often?? All you want to do is 'ride'.......FLOW!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_%28psychology%29

aka....

I wish you'd read the theory before making such ridiculous comments KM, the theory of 'Flow' is about skill and challenge, absorption, in an activity so it is enjoyable. The Zone as it is so often called and you are calling a can of worms?
I can only assume from that, you NEVER enjoy riding? obviously to you, a state of 'flow' is not acceptable to the riding experience.. In which case I actually pity you, how sad it must be for your riding to be such a chore!

There has been lengthy discussion on here before about this 'Zone'.

Far too many see it as a state of intense focus on what they're 'doing' - to the detriment of being fully aware of what's going on around them.

What does this book say about 'The Zone' GW?

I would suggest you know shit about Csitzenmihalya's theory of 'Flow'... your constant response (and others) is focussed on SPEED... and focus ONLY on what you are doing, the skill for riding a bike is the whole package, internal and external awareness, as well as the skill actual of physically riding.
the idea of a state of flow, is when skill is equal to the challenge.... a state of timelessness, loss of 'self' is achieved. Flow can be found at work, See Kelly's theory on work .... pure work, to work for pleasure (restoring an old motorcycle is work for pleasure) This very work can induce a state of flow,,, how often have you been working in the garage and what seems minutes has been a few hours? State of flow.

This idea of the 'Zone' as so many motorcyclists perceive it, Yourself included is incorrect. Speed is NOT the object... Flow could be riding a low power bike like a Royal Enfield 500 Bullet through a series of tight twisty bends,,, certainly not fast, but if you are smooth, seemingly effortless through the bends, but having to think, be aware and mentally alert the whole time but not anxious or stressed, Challenge (the road itself) is equal to the skill you have as a rider...THAT is the state of flow as theorised. Riding balls out fast, is generally overconfidence above skill in most riders...

Chitzenwhatsit's theory of 'Flow' doesn't readily have any serious reality in motorcycling.

There's more likelihood of his theory being seen as some sort of Invincibility Cloak rather than it producing safer riders.

Save it for the track.

<<<< fixed it for you

Once again you simply display a knowledge of nothing K'man, the flow theory is a Psychological 'Wellness' theory, it could more readily be applied or used by instructors/mentors.. Understanding the state of arousal for a beginner is more likely to be anxiety and quite simple challenges will be sufficient to their skill level is hardly a 'worthless tool', is it? But then I bow to your superior knowledge on these subjects, I just wish I'd had your amazing knowledge to learn from at University.

Anyhow, back to post #206.

Katman what the EF is it with you? Do you deliberately get your record STUCK in one groove and refuse to even concede you may JUST be misreading something??

I'll re-iterate 'a state of 'FLOW' is NOT repeat NOT a 'trancelike' state... go and read the fucking theory instead of spouting crap, PLEASE!!

FLOW... when the CHALLENGE of the activity is EQUAL to the skills of the participant....
So riding a Motorcycle requires INTERNAL SKILL... the ability and craft to ride the bike, and EXTERNAL AWARENESS of surroundings These two characteristics are required to complete the activity of riding a motorcycle competently....

Speed is not a required factor, neither is a trancelike state.... FFS.... It is a COMPLETE INVOLVEMENT of the activity.... A surgeon can acheive a state of 'Flow'. An operation could be challenging to perform and take his skill to their maximum, without causing stress.... at that point and that is the CRITICAL factor; challenge high, skills high and in a state of 'balance'.... FLOW.... complete involvement of the activity engaged in.
I am not going to try to educate you any further... at least one other poster on here has read the theory and understands it.. I have a pretty good idea Ocean and a couple of others get it as well.....

and as for what about post 206... when you can debate and accept others points could be valid? I MIGHT concede to look at yours .. Have a nice evening

So anyway, back to post #206.

[ducatilover]

I think we should organise a race

Sent from my Navy Frigate.

[PrincessBandit]

Never say DB's surname into a mirror.

It's three times into a mirror...Candyman Candyman Can...



Sounds like a few people have really had a massive bridging spike shoved up their arses and have turned all grumpy (images of the garage guys after The Mask has visited them).

chill pills all round boys.

[Katman]

It's three times into a mirror...Candyman Candyman Can...

Yes, but it had already been said twice.