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    Dave Moss "Thank you very much for your hospitality, interest, and on bike successes"

    New Zealand has always been one place that I didn’t want to visit – as once there, I thought I’d never leave. Fortunately, as I have commitments for the rest of this year in other countries I have to, but as the big man says “I’ll be back!” What a wonderful experience on all levels. There are many lasting memories of this trip the most prevalent being that of openness, friendship and a thirst for knowledge in the riding community as a whole followed by a visual epiphany from those who received the knowledge.

    As a nation of tinkerers I will find many more road motorcycles in tip top shape in all aspects when I return. Perhaps with the knowledge I have dispensed over the last several weeks and with winter approaching, the tinkering will begin in earnest and when I return, things will be generally a lot different. I know the track and race riders will be knee deep in bolts, grease, brake fluid and seals soon enough. How about you road riders?

    For any trip like this, a lot of “thank you”(s) have to be given out starting with Sam Neilson and family who made this trip happen in all aspects from the initial email of “Hey, would come to NZ to help riders?” to hosting me for the bulk of the trip and to the supporting cast of characters that hosted me in various cities who will become center pins for their cities during the next trip.

    I’d also like to give recognition to dealership principles and staff and track day groups who allowed me to present information to their clients without really knowing who I was in the grand scheme of things:- AFC, MCR, Hawks Bay, Avon Suzuki and TSS dealerships along with Play Day track days, Pacific Club track days, Moto TT and the Victoria Motorcycle Club. I know that in all cases, we will be back with each business listed with more events during the week in that city with more information and more training. No doubt there will be extra cities that jump onboard in 2014 so contact Sam who will be the NZ National coordinator at sshbneilson@gmail.com (give him a month to unwind first!). BTW: Kayla has first dibs in Auckland with Anthony!

    For 2014 I will be providing all kinds of opportunities to NZ riders including seminars and workshops, suspension tuning on and off track, rider coaching and track day and race classroom sessions at tracks or in the evenings to bring the full Dave Moss Tuning repertoire to NZ that US riders are so familiar with. There’s already a lot of riders verbally signed on for many of the above, so look for more details from Sam Neilson in various forums beginning in September of this year. When the announcements are made, book quickly as there will be limited numbers per event to keep the experience personal and much more detailed in regards to the topic covered (dirt race, dirt trail, dirt adventure, road, road track, road race, road race championship). I will try to keep groups in a single ability/skill category so we can go much deeper in to the topic.

    In order to keep the momentum going from now until January 2014 I will be posting monthly to national and regional forums that want information for their members, or private rider/track/race groups where the information can be distributed to its members from a single point of contact. Along with that post, I will answer all the previous months questions in full making sure the answer is comprehensive for all. If you want to be the contact for your group, please email Sam in regards to this so he can distribute the information appropriately.

    I will be back next year from the beginning of January through to the end of February at least, possibly into mid March. There are so many riders that need initial and continued help, guidance, advice and motivation and I want to continue with my mission in this regard to make all riders globally safer and more knowledgeable in helping others so that we all create a much stronger sense of community amongst our fellow riders whose bikes handle significantly better and are therefore substantially safer. I really care about every rider out there who has any kind of need for understanding rather than confusion.

    The most important point that I can reiterate in this post and from every conversation I have had during my time here is that it is YOUR bike, it has to meet YOUR needs, YOUR weight, YOUR ergonomics, YOUR riding style, YOUR pace and needs to be able to get you around with a well set up OEM suspension to start for sag and hydraulics. Everyone that had their bike adjusted will agree that it was the best money ever spent on their bike. So succumb to peer group pressure and get your bike reviewed and set up correctly – you’ll be very thankful in so many ways and then as a direct result of that experience go find someone who also needs that nudge. One person at a time and we will get there through concrete and accurate knowledge, more comfortable bikes and safer handling machines that bring nothing but a smile to their owners.

    Learn what you can at www.feelthetrack.com under the chassis set up video tab! It’s all free ☺ !!!

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    I'll be spreading the good word that's for sure, you said it the best money I've spent on my bike period. Will catch up with you next year.

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    I wasn't quite able to make one of your seminars this time Dave but heard of some awesome results and reduced lap times due to your input - Choppa and Chappy to name a couple.

    I will definitely make the effort in 2014 !
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    Bugger, what an opportunity to miss...this working for a living malarkey sucks big time! Catch you next time Dave, contact my social secretary to co-ordinate acceptable dates would ya? lol.

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    Is this a commercial venture whereby Dave has a work permit, the liability insurances necessary for making modifications to motorcycles and declares all income to the Inland Revenue?
    If not who is responsible should anything unfortunate happen to a rider on a modified machine, is his legal redress with the hosting dealer?
    Should further adjustment be necessary once Dave has left the country, what happens then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD Racing View Post
    Is this a commercial venture whereby Dave has a work permit, the liability insurances necessary for making modifications to motorcycles and declares all income to the Inland Revenue?
    If not who is responsible should anything unfortunate happen to a rider on a modified machine, is his legal redress with the hosting dealer?
    Should further adjustment be necessary once Dave has left the country, what happens then?
    Oh FFS! Why dont you just suck the fun out of our motorcyling passion, throw it on the floor and stomp on it. If this is your response to us having rare access to a renowned expert and gaining heaps of benefit from it, then I suggest you trade your bike for a beige corolla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD Racing View Post
    Is this a commercial venture whereby Dave has a work permit, the liability insurances necessary for making modifications to motorcycles and declares all income to the Inland Revenue?
    If not who is responsible should anything unfortunate happen to a rider on a modified machine, is his legal redress with the hosting dealer?
    Should further adjustment be necessary once Dave has left the country, what happens then?
    Did you go to a meeting or are you just typing away not knowing what was said, Shown or done ??? (there were no modifications made to any bike) only adjustments useing what the bike has to make tose adjustments and understanding how and why this works or dosent work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVboy View Post
    Oh FFS! Why dont you just suck the fun out of our motorcyling passion, throw it on the floor and stomp on it. If this is your response to us having rare access to a renowned expert and gaining heaps of benefit from it, then I suggest you trade your bike for a beige corolla.
    As a generalisation ( and I stress as a generalisation ) JD makes some good points. The reality is there is a lot of dodgy stuff going on and some of the stuff we see makes us wonder aloud if the owners have a death wish. Longer term with everything being required to be more accountable you have to also wonder where this is all heading.
    Daves input is of course a total positive in helping people to understand correct setup, cause / affects of adjustments.
    As for income and tax implications we of course have such issues domestically. All of us love to minimise our tax implications but we are also all guilty of grizzling when the Government doesnt have a big bag of money to cure social ills and to provide lower cost ACC, ad infinitum. I bet theres plenty of cash changing hands for professional services ( for example changing tyres ) at race meetings with no gst tax invoices being issued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deano View Post
    I wasn't quite able to make one of your seminars this time Dave but heard of some awesome results and reduced lap times due to your input - Choppa and Chappy to name a couple.

    I will definitely make the effort in 2014 !
    Theres an interesting story behind all of this

    Chappy: He was in touch with me prior to Daves visit and mentioned that the engine mods he had done to his bike but moreover a drastic weight reduction programme was now challenging the rear suspension. I replied that it would need respringing downwards to compensate for the weight loss and likely also it would require revalving. Subsequently Chappy came across Dave at a trackday and Dave softened off both preload and clicker settings that immediately yielded an improvement in grip and reduced tyre degradation, positively reducing lap times. Following that Chappy bought the bike to us and we fitted softer springing, but also we revalved and verified that we were in the ''zone'' of where we needed to be by doing a few dyno runs on our Roehrig suspension dyno. This bought the clickers back into their best response range. At his next meeting Chappy went quicker again and Dave was on hand to verify that everything was heading in a positive direction. When the bike was in our workshop we articualted to Chappy that the high speed rebound shimming in the forks really needed attention and that is now the primary limiting factor to him lapping faster again. This is a job that is still pending. Dave picked up on this isuue.

    So Id have to say that Daves input was both valuable and constructive.

    Choppa; Dave made some slight preload and click change settings and likely this is what we would have done had we been ''on site''. Primarily I personally look after Choppassuspension internals and settings and Ive often deliberated about having my very capable sidekick Dennis ( Craig Shirriffs main suspension guy ) work with Choppa for a while. A different technician will always have a slightly different approach and may pick up on other areas for improvement. In this respect Daves input was also valuable and he didnt verbally rubbish anything

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    Trackday tuning

    No intention whatsoever to hijack this thread but rider and setup education ( not only for track ) is something that our business has been involved in for years and I can totally relate to what Dave is saying. The biggest issue is time ( severe lack of ) and we could conceivably be away every weekend of the year if it werent for the fact we already dont have a life!
    Just this last Sunday I personally attended a trackday event at Hampton Downs but largely stayed well away from two of the very top road race riders present who normally captivate all of my time. I spent the whole day measuring and adjusting trackday bikes for regular ''Joe Bloggs'' trackday riders, just as Dave regularly does. Getting the sag set and the feel of the suspension correct, largely with bikes with OEM suspension. I lost count of the number of bikes we adjusted and universally everyone had a big smile on their face. Typical comments were ''its perfect'' to which I retorted ''no its not, its just a whole heap better, and it can be a lot better again with some internal work, respringing as required or replacement with higher performance components''. Or as Paul Thede would put it ''the best youve ridden is the best you know''. Personally I found it was a very rewarding day and it was all done in this instance at no charge as a promotion for the event that it was.
    As Dave eludes to, helping riders to better understand overall setup is a huge positive.

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    Unless I'm mistaken Dave seems to be adapting his business to one where he becomes an itinerant journeyman, travelling around various countries working illegally. You could be the best chef in the world but you get caught working without a work permit in a kitchen in California, you'll be deported.

    What SV boy is saying is that if I gather together with a group of people from my neighbourhood and pay for a Vietnamese builder to come over and build extensions for us all, get a Polish plumber to plumb them in, and a Swedish electrician to wire them up that's ok. They don't have work permits, we're paying cash but we're passionate about our houses, these are the best tradesmen in their field, why would you want to deny us their experience?

    A few local businesses might stop trading and a few local tradesmen might be on the dole..who cares?

    If Dave wants a business somewhere other than the US then go ahead, do it through the correct channels, invest in that country, level the playing field with your competitors.

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    I am so bummed I missed this. I did not realize he was in town. I am surprised it was only $50 considering the cost of a plane ticket from the U.S. Not to mention the time it took to fly out here.

    Well, he has got a lot of good videos out on the internet trying to share his knowledge for free. Look them up when you get the chance. The best part is he is trying to make kiwi bikes more safe on the road and track without trying to extract every cent from your pocket to wipe your a$$. Kudos to him for looking out for the biking community.

    Once you understand the basic concepts, you will see suspension set up is not voodoo magic some want you to believe. Watch the videos and than experiment yourself. Keep track of your changes and make small adjustments and see what happens. He has also got a really good video on the internet with regard to tire wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasiler View Post
    I am so bummed I missed this. I did not realize he was in town. I am surprised it was only $50 considering the cost of a plane ticket from the U.S. Not to mention the time it took to fly out here.

    Well, he has got a lot of good videos out on the internet trying to share his knowledge for free. Look them up when you get the chance. The best part is he is trying to make kiwi bikes more safe on the road and track without trying to extract every cent from your pocket to wipe your a$$. Kudos to him for looking out for the biking community.

    Once you understand the basic concepts, you will see suspension set up is not voodoo magic some want you to believe. Watch the videos and than experiment yourself. Keep track of your changes and make small adjustments and see what happens. He has also got a really good video on the internet with regard to tire wear.

    Give a person a fish, he will eat for a day.
    Teach a person to fish, he will eat for life.
    Yes indeed Dave has produced a number of great setup videos. So by implication and generalisation is every suspension tuner / supplier in New Zealand trying to extract every cent out of everyones pocket? Is there no-one in NZ looking out for the biking community?
    I for one resent such an emotive line of thinking because I have the largest investment in the motorcycle suspension industry in NZ, by a huge margin and have done a lot of setup training and given a lot of people help either at no charge or very little charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD Racing View Post
    Unless I'm mistaken Dave seems to be adapting his business to one where he becomes an itinerant journeyman, travelling around various countries working illegally. You could be the best chef in the world but you get caught working without a work permit in a kitchen in California, you'll be deported.

    What SV boy is saying is that if I gather together with a group of people from my neighbourhood and pay for a Vietnamese builder to come over and build extensions for us all, get a Polish plumber to plumb them in, and a Swedish electrician to wire them up that's ok. They don't have work permits, we're paying cash but we're passionate about our houses, these are the best tradesmen in their field, why would you want to deny us their experience?

    A few local businesses might stop trading and a few local tradesmen might be on the dole..who cares?

    If Dave wants a business somewhere other than the US then go ahead, do it through the correct channels, invest in that country, level the playing field with your competitors.
    SVBoy is not saying that at all. As another poster asked: Did you attend any of Daves seminars? Have you quizzed Dave as to his future intentions? Are you confident that he earned any more than just covering costs?This was a toe in the water for Dave and a lot of people found it very useful. If he deems it successful, I am confident he will set things up on a more formal basis next time. RT, as always raises valid points, and is a wonderful resourse. However, as he said, he needs a life outside of work. For a person like me, located in the south Island, I dont get to see RT in person so the opportunity to hear Dave was outstanding. JDracing, if your analogy re passion for your house is true for you-I suggest you get out more!! Perhaps one of Daves seminars next time......

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