CBTA Competency Based Training and Assessment

[Erelyes]

This doesn't seem to do anything at all, except get newbies on large cc bikes quicker, and to stimulate the motorcycle training industry.

Sure, everyone wants to get off their learner bike onto something with some balls, but is it good for the rider? I happen to think time consolidating on a smaller bike will result in a better rider overall. There is also the matter of the newbie wanting to misbehave on it, which is going to happen for most riders - better get this out of their system over time instead of putting them on a weapon too early.

I'm not persuaded.

Yeah, but the time on the smaller bike is consolidating what exactly? Knowledge learnt from youtube vids, or, 'I haven't crashed yet doing it this way', rather than pro tuition? I'd say the problem with the current system is that there's no direct incentive (licence wise) to go on a course. In theory someone could pass BHST and both practicals, without having ever had professional tuition. CBTA provides that incentive without making it compulsory (as bikers we hate nanny state - amidoingitrite?).

I can think of worse industries to stimulate than the rider training industry. I'd hazard a guess that many instructors do it as much because they want to save others harm, than to earn a bunch of dosh.

I do agree with you that restraint is something that can take time to develop/ingrain.
But so is the desire to always learn, always improve, and not just 'get the full' but become a better rider. Which is what I think CBTA will promote.

[Xsannz]

Talking with an instructor about CBTA today.

impression i got.

a rider does the level 1 learner course theory and a practical gets a certificate goes into AA gets learners.

then does a level 2 course theory and practical goes into AA gets restricted...

does final level 3 theory and 2 practicals and gets cert goes to AA gets FULL.

no tests at aa as the practical certificate counts for that.

and that you could if your instructor lets you and you have the cash do all 3 back to back....

Doesnt sound like mch of a system to me.

sound more like a lets generate some revenue and pump out more motorcyclist who can pay the higher acc levies because they all have big bikes now....

AM I CYNICAL ENOUGH...

[Tricia1000]

Um, which "instructor" did you get your information from??? Are they actually in the know, or on the committee that is putting together the CBTA1 and CBTA2. There are no plans for a CBTA3.
Firstly, the rider will still need to do BHS, and the theory test to get their learners (not Level1) the courses aren't even called Level 1, 2, or 3.
At the moment, Once the rider has received their Learners licence, they can then do CBTA1. I doubt that they would reach the standard required for the CBA1 test in one day..... It might take a couple of weeks. Once they have this CBA1 under their belt, then that certificate will be accepted instead of Restricted Licence test. Once they have their Restricted licence, they are then able to think about CBTA2. Again the course will take some time to achieve the standard. From the NZTA website, you will need to be on your restricted licence for 12 months, before trading up to a full licence.
On Learners and Restricted, you can ride up to a 660 cc with the correct power output, so big ACC fees being paid already...
Perhaps do some research before complaining about a system, that it appears you don't yet know anything about......
Alot of this could still change, as it hasn't been set in stone.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Talking with an instructor about CBTA today.

impression i got.

a rider does the level 1 learner course theory and a practical gets a certificate goes into AA gets learners.

then does a level 2 course theory and practical goes into AA gets restricted...

does final level 3 theory and 2 practicals and gets cert goes to AA gets FULL.

no tests at aa as the practical certificate counts for that.

and that you could if your instructor lets you and you have the cash do all 3 back to back....

Doesnt sound like mch of a system to me.

sound more like a lets generate some revenue and pump out more motorcyclist who can pay the higher acc levies because they all have big bikes now....

AM I CYNICAL ENOUGH...

[Edbear]

40 years ago I did a defensive driving course. It has stayed with me ever since through ensuing years of riding and driving and I count it as one if the best things I've ever done!

I can't recommend enough the value of such courses!

[nzspokes]

40 years ago I did a defensive driving course. It has stayed with me ever since through ensuing years of riding and driving and I count it as one if the best things I've ever done!

I can't recommend enough the value of such courses!

Must have changed Ed, I did one to get my full year or so back. Utter rubbish. Guy spent all his time talking about old rugby stories.

[Edbear]

Must have changed Ed, I did one to get my full year or so back. Utter rubbish. Guy spent all his time talking about old rugby stories.

Not good! The muppet! The one I attended was run by my Mum who was the local driving instructor, Defensive Driving Instructor, taxi and bus driver. She was also a keen motorcyclist and loved to ride my old T500 Suzuki!

I guess I was spoiled in some aspects of growing up.

[Monkfish]

Once they have their Restricted licence, they are then able to think about CBTA2. Again the course will take some time to achieve the standard. From the NZTA website, you will need to be on your restricted licence for 12 months, before trading up to a full licence.
Alot of this could still change, as it hasn't been set in stone.

Tricia,
Would you have a ballpark release date for this course?

I am currently on my learners and will have my restricted in june, will the course be available by the end of the year?

[Tricia1000]

Hi Monkfish,
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/licence/gett...cles/cbta.html

According to the NZTA website it says late 2013, so I would presume then that it will be early 2014.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Tricia,
Would you have a ballpark release date for this course?

I am currently on my learners and will have my restricted in june, will the course be available by the end of the year?

[Wayz]

Wow! Had an awesome discussion with a highway patrol officer regarding all things motorcycles. I asked him what were his overall thoughts regarding nz licensing, he said that the thing that worries him is the lack of specialised training areas and courses that we have to offer to make us better riders. He fully believes that the cc law is a joke for restricted riders, as the amount of times he has been called out to accidents involving newbie full licensed riders out on their first ride on their high powered machines. As he believes that big bikes are a different kettle of fish, why hold back learning is what he said, the sooner riders can experience riding bigger bikes the better is what he said, more so on the restricted license. One thing he would like to see is a special type of permit or course gained certificate for "super bike" type sports bikes, more so built around rider road maturity. As the same for high powered cars. His parting words were, ride safe and ride as if everything is out to kill you...haha good to know that not all of them are nazis.

[Maha]

These words always amuses me...''ride as if everything is out to kill you''

Everything?...that list is really large, to name just a few... butterflies/fog/Big Macs/soy lattes/rubbish bins.

Still amusing when you substitute the word 'everything' for 'everyone'...my parents are not out there to kill me. Being vigilant is the only word/term that is needed whilst sharing the road with others.

I was using a passing lane several days ago, just passed the 200m merge sign and had one more car to pass, as reached the right rear of said car, it started to drift towards me..!
When alongside the car, I could clearly see that the bitch driving was texting with her right hand, now she was not out to kill me, that I am sure of. Vigilance on my behalf made sure that the passing manoeuvre was completed safely for/by me.
Some would/may react differently if they thought thier road skill was not up to spec.

[bluninja]

These words always amuses me...''ride as if everything is out to kill you''

Everything?...that list is really large, to name just a few... butterflys/fog/Big Macs/soy lattes/rubbish bins.

Still amusing when you substitute the word 'everything' for 'everyone'...my parents are not out there to kill me. Being vigilant is the only word/term that is needed whilst sharing the road with others.

I was using a passing lane several days ago, just passed the 200m merge sign and had one more car to pass, as reached the right rear of said car, it started to drift towards me..!
When alongside the car, I could clearly see that the bitch driving was texting with her right hand, now she was not out to kill me, that I am sure of. Vigilance on my behalf made sure that the passing manoeuvre was completed safely for/by me.
Some would/may react differently if they thought thier road skill was not up to spec.

Was she texting you "Beware suicidal killer butteflies ahead!" ? :LOL:

[Wayz]

Haha no maha I'm sure your parents are not out to kill you, but if a resident evil/zombie scenario was to occur I'm sure they would not hesitate!

[Maha]

Was she texting you "Beware suicidal killer butteflies ahead!" ? :LOL:

Avoiding such a group mid corner is not for the faint hearted.

Haha no maha I'm sure your parents are not out to kill you, but if a resident evil/zombie scenario was to occur I'm sure they would not hesitate!

Example in the extreme but, point was, the term used by the cop in my view, is rediculous.
If you ride with that in mind (suicidal killer butteflies aside) the tension build up must get to a level whereby, the time on your bike is spent caring what is going to happen next.

[Wayz]

Avoiding such a group mid corner is not for the faint hearted.



Example in the extreme but, point was, the term used by the cop in my view, is rediculous.
If you ride with that in mind (suicidal killer butteflies aside) the tension build up must get to a level whereby, the time on your bike is spent caring what is going to happen next.

I guess over-reading such a statement would drive you into over thinking a simple message. I find the statement to be very valid, I apply it to my riding, keeps me safe and aware! As I've heard it more than once.

[rawsoncj]

I'll definitely attend one of these courses once they're available. Not because I'm eager to trade my 650 in for a 1300 -- the 650 already does absolutely everything I need it to do -- but so I can learn to become a safer, better rider under expert guidance.