CBTA Competency Based Training and Assessment

[Virago]

This doesn't seem to do anything at all, except get newbies on large cc bikes quicker, and to stimulate the motorcycle training industry.

Sure, everyone wants to get off their learner bike onto something with some balls, but is it good for the rider? I happen to think time consolidating on a smaller bike will result in a better rider overall. There is also the matter of the newbie wanting to misbehave on it, which is going to happen for most riders - better get this out of their system over time instead of putting them on a weapon too early.

I'm not persuaded.

In light of how you started out, the hypocrisy is rather blatant...

Ok I got my exemption for my 650 yesterday, so I can ride it on my learners' license.

I told them I was an old barsted (42) with plenty of offroad and commercial driving experience etc, a clean driving and criminal record, and gave them pics of me in my copious safety gear (looks very impressive) and the bike, and me ON the bike (must be with no helmet on), and they just issued the exemption. Took all of ten days.

Get the forms from any driver licensing agency and just do it. Easy.

DB

[Tricia1000]

CBTA is moving along nicely.
Trialling starts soon,
Should be live end of this year.

Tricia1000
Roada (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

[Drew]

. As a pillion I know how to steer the bike.

Any passenger tries to 'steer' my bike, is getting the fuck off and walking!

What a bloody stupid thing to teach.

[f2dz]

CBTA is moving along nicely.
Trialling starts soon,
Should be live end of this year.

Tricia1000
Roada (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Great news, thanks for the update.

What do these trials entail? Any way to sign up to em?

[Tricia1000]

Sure, I will be looking for some candidates soon.



Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Great news, thanks for the update.

What do these trials entail? Any way to sign up to em?

[kevinator9]

Thank you for the update Tricia.
Awaiting news eagerly.

[f2dz]

Sure, I will be looking for some candidates soon.



Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

I'll be keen to volunteer if that's at all how it works. Won't have a bike again til the end of the month probably though.

[FJRider]

If our acc money goes toward something like this I consider it money well spent.

Why would ACC want the learner to full licence process shortened .. ???

Most people on a learner licence would be happy to pay ... to shorten the time to their getting a full licence.

[p.dath]

Why would ACC want the learner to full licence process shortened .. ???...

Part of their brief is "injury preventing", but I'm with you FJ, they won't be using ACC money for that.

[Drew]

Have the 'training' providers approached ACC? Couldn't see it, they get paid the same either way. Why make more work for themselves for no gain?

I know that's a pretty negative thing to say, particularly since I often say that most of the people on bikes have less control of it than a mad woman does, her shit. However I'm pretty sure they, every one, harp "for the good of the community".

[FJRider]

Part of their brief is "injury preventing", but I'm with you FJ, they won't be using ACC money for that.

It would not surprise me to see an ACC levy attached to the course fee. But I doubt if ACC would support the funding of courses that affect due process of law.

I also doubt that the CBTA courses are/will be ... an automatic pass based solely on attendance. Time will tell what level of competency is required to pass.

[FJRider]

Have the 'training' providers approached ACC? Couldn't see it, they get paid the same either way. Why make more work for themselves for no gain?

Until an approved CBTA course is actually in effect ... and they can see if it has any safety advantages to riders ... I can't see them taking much interest in it at this stage.

I could be wrong ... again ...

[FJRider]

This doesn't seem to do anything at all, except get newbies on large cc bikes quicker, and to stimulate the motorcycle training industry.

The only required by law training in place at the moment is the Basic Handling test. I think it is time more driver/rider testing is put in place in the licence system.

If the CBTA courses prove their worth ... maybe more will be.

I'm not persuaded.

Like we care ..

[Drew]

Until an approved CBTA course is actually in effect ... and they can see if it has any safety advantages to riders ... I can't see them taking much interest in it at this stage.

I could be wrong ... again ...

I would pre-empt it, and make ACC aware of the intention of the course, and intent to chase them for funding. Before anything at all gets approved. Once something is in place, they are far less likely to want any part of it.

My two cents, usually worth less to anyone else though.

[FJRider]

I would pre-empt it, and make ACC aware of the intention of the course, and intent to chase them for funding. Before anything at all gets approved. Once something is in place, they are far less likely to want any part of it.

My two cents, usually worth less to anyone else though.

So what is the intention of the course ... is it as perceived by Government, or as perceived by restricted licence holders ... ???

Is there a difference ... ???

My ten cents worth (lowest denomination coinage currently in circulation) ... is ... Government want competent vehicle operators on the road. Restricted licence holders just want a licence with no restrictions. Actual content of the courses, to show PROVEN competency of riders passing at the end of the course will be achieved ... is the key to approval.
An improvement in riders actual skill level may not be the actual aim of the course.
A confident sensible rider should have no issues passing the course. (Often hard to find amongst restricted licence holders)

Remember we are talking about a Government department here ... And approval for ACC funding would have to come from the Minister of ACC. Too many unknowns for a mere departmental head to sign off on.