"Restorative justice"

[Akzle]

My "stuff" is more important than the life of a human being ...*who is trying to take my stuff

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[mashman]

The adjudicator of the process, someone with recognised authority or mana. In this case I would expect it to be someone from the university hierarchy with responsibility for hiring/firing/managing the caretaker, or perhaps an independent mediator. *shrug*

I thought representatives on the Uni had mediated the process? albeit with only one party present. Maybe I should hire myself out to perform such a role

[Road kill]

Or they'll resort to killing those who they burgle and keep their knees intact... sure they'll risk doing the time, but it's easier to fight off bubba and the honda riders with 2 good knees.

There's far more of us than there is them,,we'd win in the end just by numbers..

[Smifffy]

I thought representatives on the Uni had mediated the process? albeit with only one party present. Maybe I should hire myself out to perform such a role

Maybe you should. Maybe I should. I think if it was done properly and not one-sided then it wouldn't end up in the court of public opinion, which is probably the least fair process of all. Each party would accept the result and real justice would have been served. Never happen in good old NZ tho.

Edit: Actually I think that in the armed forces (broadly speaking) and at some Marae it might happen. Then again sometimes the armed forces are just after scapegoats, and some Marae go down the 'I'm sorry I got caught' path. - yeah sweeping generalisations but what else do you expect?

[mashman]

Maybe you should. Maybe I should. I think if it was done properly and not one-sided then it wouldn't end up in the court of public opinion, which is probably the least fair process of all. Each party would accept the result and real justice would have been served. Never happen in good old NZ tho.

Edit: Actually I think that in the armed forces (broadly speaking) and at some Marae it might happen. Then again sometimes the armed forces are just after scapegoats, and some Marae go down the 'I'm sorry I got caught' path. - yeah sweeping generalisations but what else do you expect?

Honest Bastards R Us eh. From what I've read the US are doing something "similar" in regards to youth courts with some impressive results. So yeah, it could work like you say. It's better than a shoot out, hmmmmmm, mebee.

I expect Justice... or at least the truth. Something none of us are very good at. Tis a shame that people will protect people because they like them, irrespective of their "criminal" actions. Then again we'd probably all be in jail in some form or another for some of our actions. Lots of different people, lots of different generalisations. Can't be helped I guess.

[Smifffy]

Honest Bastards R Us eh.

(cut some stuff from here - look a couple of posts up if you need the complete original)

Lots of different people, lots of different generalisations. Can't be helped I guess.

Yup AMINZ they call 'emselves I guess some more googling could show what quals are needed and what the pay is like

[mashman]

Yup AMINZ they call 'emselves I guess some more googling could show what quals are needed and what the pay is like

heh... I'd get very bored very quickly me thinks and I doubt I have the right range of skills for a job.

[300weatherby]

My brother in law's 15 yr old daughter arrived home from school today,just as fucktard crims were finishing up doing the house over. 3rd time in as many years. The house is fucked from the quakes and cannot be properly secured. He is fighting with the government. He is fighting with his insurers. He is fighting with EQC. Now this crap gets dropped on him. She just avoided being raped and beaten, a few minutes earlier and she would have been in the house with a bunch of fuctard little black fucksticks, wanna bet YOUR daughters/sisters/wife/mum that it wouldn't have happened?

How much is he (and her mum) going to stress around three tomorrow........?
How carefully is she going to approach the house tomorrow.........?
How often are they going to jump at an unexpected noise in the house tomorrow?

But hey, it's only stuff huh.........

By the standards of some on here, pat the crims on the head and don't be mean to them, cause it's only "stuff". Wake the fuck up! crims evolve........

Today, tagging.
Tomorrow, shoplifting,
Day after, car theft,
Next day, burglery,
Next day, violent assault on occupant of house,
Next day, rape of anything female found in house,
Next day, Murder.

Simple answer, stamp on it before it grows.

Only stuff.......... fuck you who take that attitude,I really hope it's YOUR house next. I Hope you get to be gratefull that your womenfolk are away at the time.

[300weatherby]

There's far more of us than there is them,,we'd win in the end just by numbers..

The police know who most of bad fucksticks are, all we need is for DOC to issue a permit, the police to ID them, and away we go. Most criminal activity done and dusted for ages.

The crims get to keep doing what they do, without Joe kiwi taking upon himself to wipe them out, because we know the difference between right and wrong, the connection between and action and the consequence.

The crims keep on because the law prevents us from doing anything, but does not suppress THEM.

We have a new neighbour, a bloody judge, boy am I gonna have bloody much to say........................

[gammaguy]

I was in the process of employing a couple of new drivers a few weeks ago.
We had a guy come in with tons of promise and gave him a trial on the basis that his medical and drugs test all came back clean.
He didn't do his drug test on the day of appointment and said he was worried cause he had a joint a couple of weeks back.
So i asked him his level of use and he replied with "hardly ever just the odd weekend,".
So we decided to give him a second chance and allowed him a week to clear his system so as to get a clean test.
Once done we sent him back in for another test on a Monday and low and behold he decided he wanted different type of work all of a sudden.
So he moved onto another company driving trucks (thought he wanted to do different type of work, ODD!)
Got a phone call from the company asking of his back ground, of coarse after the discussion they decided to take him in for drug test, no getting out of this one as they were near enough to holding his hand.
You guessed it, he failed miserably and i believe he is struggling to gain employment anywhere. The transport industry network is spread far and wide.
so as far as giving 2nd chances, F***k that again!

So there's a drugged out guy driving a truck somewhere....what could possibly go wrong with that?

[gammaguy]

Not sure i should actually have to explain this but....
If he has an accident and they test for drugs etc (as they do everytime) we would immediately loose our insurance for a start...still not sure why i would have to explain this....2nd thing is if he has a habit of any kind it will definitely affect his ability behind the wheel and therefore become an added risk to road users.
You seriously couldn't figure that out for yourself. That just fuckin scares me that does!

The fact that some people can view a truck driver under the influence of any recreational drug while driving as acceptable is the exact reason why the testing regime was instituted in the first place

[Grubber]

So there's a drugged out guy driving a truck somewhere....what could possibly go wrong with that?

Yes i believe there is somewhere, wish i knew where, i would sort it out pronto if i knew!
Hmmm, what could possibly go wrong??? Scary aye!

[Grubber]

The fact that some people can view a truck driver under the influence of any recreational drug while driving as acceptable is the exact reason why the testing regime was instituted in the first place

Exactly right! best thing that ever happened in my view.
The industry was rife with it some years ago and it caused mayhem like you wouldn't believe!
We just don't tolerate it at all. For the record i won't be giving any 2nd chances any-more either.

[oneofsix]

So there's a drugged out guy driving a truck somewhere....what could possibly go wrong with that?

Could be a couple high on glue fumes; http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8459...-truck-crashes. But it is ok as they aren't driving - anymore.

Actually hope they are ok and no-one else comes to grief in the mess.

[Banditbandit]

My brother in law's 15 yr old daughter arrived home from school today,just as fucktard crims were finishing up doing the house over. 3rd time in as many years. The house is fucked from the quakes and cannot be properly secured. He is fighting with the government. He is fighting with his insurers. He is fighting with EQC. Now this crap gets dropped on him. She just avoided being raped and beaten, a few minutes earlier and she would have been in the house with a bunch of fuctard little black fucksticks, wanna bet YOUR daughters/sisters/wife/mum that it wouldn't have happened?

How much is he (and her mum) going to stress around three tomorrow........?
How carefully is she going to approach the house tomorrow.........?
How often are they going to jump at an unexpected noise in the house tomorrow?

But hey, it's only stuff huh.........

By the standards of some on here, pat the crims on the head and don't be mean to them, cause it's only "stuff". Wake the fuck up! crims evolve........

Today, tagging.
Tomorrow, shoplifting,
Day after, car theft,
Next day, burglery,
Next day, violent assault on occupant of house,
Next day, rape of anything female found in house,
Next day, Murder.

Simple answer, stamp on it before it grows.

Only stuff.......... fuck you who take that attitude,I really hope it's YOUR house next. I Hope you get to be gratefull that your womenfolk are away at the time.

You have no fucking idea at all about what I think and believe .... you're just a rabid rightwinger knee-jerking .. and jerking off on the sound of your own bullshit ...