"Restorative justice"

[Paul in NZ]

You have no fucking idea at all about what I think and believe .... you're just a rabid rightwinger knee-jerking .. and jerking off on the sound of your own bullshit ...

Thats possible but that does not mean hes not correct about the theft thing....

[imdying]

Typical capitalist response ... My "stuff" is more important than the life of a human being ...

And typically you hippies make it out to be something it isn't by missing critical details.

My "stuff" is more important than the life of a human being who is touching stuff that doesn't fucking well belong to him.


Now I know you're always going to come down on that viewpoint hard because you're a Maori and so are most thieves in New Zealand, but if you kept your f'n whanau in line that would not have to be the case. Top tip: IT'S NOT THE VICTIMS FAULT WANKER.

[Akzle]

And typically you hippies make it out to be something it isn't by missing critical details.

hey, ffffuuuuucckk you. i'm a hippy, that guy's just a dick.

[Banditbandit]

Hippy shit!!! Fuck .. and here I was thinking that because I believe there should be a death penalty that would count me out as a "hippy" ...

And where did I say it was the victim's fault???

It's typical of capitalist societies to value property ("stuff") over human life ... (that's a marxist analysis, not hippy shit ...) but we say that killing a humam being is the worst crime that can be committed .. and yet so many people here are prepared to kill over "stuff" ...

How does that make you any different from the person trying to steal it??? IMHO it makes you worse. They are theives but you are prepared to be a murderer ...

And as for the racist shit - there are good and bad people in all ethnicities ... ethnicity has nothing to do with criminal behaviour .. unless, of course, we go down the racist path - that all those who claim to be Māori in this country are only part Māori becuase we all have white ancestors .. maybe it's the white ancestory that makes us criminals ??? because there are white people in jail .... What shit . it's not the Māori part or the white part - it's just human beings being human beings .. and fucking up like some do

But my God ... what sort of a society have we created in GodZone ??? Is it any wonder with such a high level of verbal and social violence that there is an equally high level of physical violence? We reap what we sow .. sow violence and we reap violence ...

[Akzle]

But my God ... what sort of a society have we created in GodZone ??? Is it any wonder with such a high level of verbal and social volence that there is an equally high level of physical violence?

which came first? the chicken or the rooster?

personally, i abhor when i hear people say things like "he should suffer a slow painful death" even if the crim did rape or murder. the firestarter and the old lady on the news "well i'd like to douse him in petrol and light him" - what the fuck is that shit about?

but i'm all up for executing rapists and murderers. (and a long list of other white folk. bankers, for one)

but the other guy had it right - the crims are untouchable (basically) and know it. reminds me of that motto:
"you only have to shoot one, word will spread"
it was applied to daughters' boyfriends, but equally applicable.

until the cops do more than revenue gathering and actually have the mindset and the ability to put them down, or civvys are granted the authority (they already have it, btw. read-ey read-ey, defence of movable property, legislation.govt.nz) to do so, this shit will go on and on.

[Banditbandit]

You think the crims get away with it and are untouchable ???

Do any of you happen to know who is the longest serving prisoner in our jails and how long he has been locked up for (That gives you a clue - it's not someone in Arohata.)

And who is our longest serving prisoner convicted of murder? (Yeah - they are not the same thing ...)

Do you really believe what you read in the newspapers ???

[Banditbandit]

which came first? the chicken or the rooster?

Chicken's aren't old enough to come ... the rooster has to come in the chook first or there is no chicken ...

[Mom]

I'm just a broke guy that's a dick.

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[Akzle]

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rob akerman, 0220140727, come get some sweetheart.

[Akzle]

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also. Youve been hanging around that shit head too long. Bad attitude not welcome round here.

[Edbear]

which came first? the chicken or the rooster?

personally, i abhor when i hear people say things like "he should suffer a slow painful death" even if the crim did rape or murder. the firestarter and the old lady on the news "well i'd like to douse him in petrol and light him" - what the fuck is that shit about?

but i'm all up for executing rapists and murderers. (and a long list of other white folk. bankers, for one)

but the other guy had it right - the crims are untouchable (basically) and know it. reminds me of that motto:
"you only have to shoot one, word will spread"
it was applied to daughters' boyfriends, but equally applicable.

until the cops do more than revenue gathering and actually have the mindset and the ability to put them down, or civvys are granted the authority (they already have it, btw. read-ey read-ey, defence of movable property, legislation.govt.nz) to do so, this shit will go on and on.

The Police do their job pretty well under the circumstances but they get heartily fed up with bringing the offender to the courts where there are perfectly adequate punishments available to the Judges, only to hear another faint slap with the proverbial wet bus ticket.

There are no full-blood Maori left and going on the legal terms for being able to claim such in NZ I could claim to be Somalian..!

[mashman]

The Police do their job pretty well under the circumstances but they get heartily fed up with bringing the offender to the courts where there are perfectly adequate punishments available to the Judges, only to hear another faint slap with the proverbial wet bus ticket.

There are no full-blood Maori left and going on the legal terms for being able to claim such in NZ I could claim to be Somalian..!

Isn't Maori a culture and not a breed of human being? Coz if that's the case, I'm bloody sure I've been possessed by a Maori spirit, a strong one at that. Where's my gravy?

[scumdog]

until the cops do more than revenue gathering and actually have the mindset and the ability to put them down.....

Wah-wah-fuckin' wah...

Fuckin' hippy know-it-all dreamers....

[doc]

Wah-wah-fuckin' wah...

Fuckin' hippy know-it-all dreamers....

I would like your badge no mister plod. "Or else I'm taking this International"

[cskadizzy]

I get it. His mistake was not handing it in to the Security Office. For some reason his employer has decided to give him a second chance. I will assume that that is because they consider his actions to have been out of character. Yes he should have something against his record, perhaps LIAR, and I would assume that should there be another incident where he has "stolen" something, that he will lose his job. I understand the principle that you are communicating, but as mentioned, this seems to have been a one off. Shame you never got the resolution that YOU wanted.

I think there's a whole host of mistakes, but unfortunately, I don't think that lying to someone's face and keeping their property for six months is a moment out of character - a "lapse" as he put it. Let's say someone gave me verbal after a few beers, and I got the mist and slapped them about a bit - that's out of character, it happens in an instant. That's a lapse. I apologise to the victim, I ask what can I do to make it right, and then I do my best to meet their expectations. If it happens. It hasn't, by the way.

This is a six month jaunt around the place with my stuff, involving lying to me, and then lying to the police. This isn't out of character - this, in my opinion, is in his character. We can combine it with all the other stuff he's been taking photos of - another cellphone he's been taking photos of. Two pairs of brand new basketball shoes. A house with more stuff out of proportion for someone on his money - electronic drum kit, big flat screen TV, games console.

There's actually a text message where, during an argument with someone about looking after the kid, he tells someone he's on his last warning at work because he keeps leaving early to pick up the kid from daycare - given this shit, and that he gets to keep his job, that's clearly not true either.

So I don't buy this bullshit about character - I think it's cronyism, not a good judgement of character, that's behind this. I think he's a manipulative little lying piece of crap. Given that there's been a spate of thefts from around the university over the past year, you'd think they'd be more concerned about it and start looking at the other thefts too.

I don't think the guy should have necessarily lost his job over it. Despite having once worked with a guy who was sacked for taking 3 cable ties from where an electrician was working. I don't know whether the PHD dude wanted that or not either. For it to be restorative justice there needs to be some kind of agreement between perp & vic (hate that word) that the consequences are congruent with the offence. Surely there are a raft of options available between sacking somebody and having them write a letter in which they say they are sorry that they got caught because it made them feel bad.

Surely at the beginning the University and the aggrieved person could set their bounds for the process. E.g. it will require more than a simple paragraph or two and sacking is off the agenda.

Then the perp is asked to explain why he shouldn't be sacked. The perp is then told that if he is not to be sacked, then he needs to come up with a suitable means of restitution that he thinks the aggrieved party would accept. Maybe he could wash his car or mow his lawns or do some work for the guy's favourite charity or something, maybe simply do something extra around the university to benefit everybody. I'm not suggesting indentured servitude or breaking rocks or anything, let the guy suggest something.

Yeah, this was the problem. I was shut out of the process right from the start. When I objected to their proposed solution and raised questions about it, Rainsforth Dix just shut me down. Then senior faculty shut me down. At the start, I would have listened to any process that actually went some way to restoring what had been lost, but at the point where I told them it wasn't acceptable and how it didn't even go 1/10 of the way to fixing actual economic loss, they told me to fuck off.

This doesn't even meet any of the obligations of utu for either him or the university.

When the Dean told me to fuck off in the weakest of ways, only then did I give David Fisher at the Herald a ring.

I've been told that this is "in line with institutional expectations" - that security staff can steal and expect to keep their jobs. So I had to OIA them and ask how many security staff have criminal histories on and off the job. I also OIA'd the security logbook, and details of this guy's duties. And other stuff. The logbook might even come back that they didn't record it, or he was sent to hand it back - we'll have to see.

What I'm actually doing is building up a civil case, if need be. The university, see, might still pursue me for the $30k or so it cost them for the first year of the PhD. So this isn't over for me by a long shot.

You end up with absolutely no faith in the institution. So, like I say on the blog, it's not that it's about Arana Kenny. It's about everything that's happened.

Of course, since the apology, and since he applied for a discharge without conviction, it's looking like the little arsewipe is going to try and get away with everything. So aside from the apology, where he's so embarrassed about it all, and the useless SIM card, it doesn't look like either him or the university want it to be recognised that he did something wrong. Applying for a discharge without conviction is a kick in the face for me, and it's him trying to dismiss what happened to me because he's a cowardly little shitstain who couldn't put his hand up and admit he's done someone wrong. So now it IS about him. Before he could have been a lost confused young man who made a mistake and pissed me off. Now he's doing a deliberate act to try and avoid accountability while I go to the wall.

Putting the case in the media is fuck all to him. Shit, even putting the posters up around campus was nothing compared to the crap I've had to deal with because of him. I've had more attention from this shit than he has: I'm the one taking the calls from journalists, I'm the one that was named first. He wasn't named until he was named in court.

I still don't think it's appropriate at all that someone who's been caught taking things that don't belong to them - theft, as the charge is and as he's pleaded guilty to - is continued to be employed in the same position. If they want him digging gardens, then fine. But just handing him the keys back and saying "bad boy, don't do it again" is well out of order. People have been fired for less.

There's a line, and I'm not entirely sure where it is - but I'm sure as fuck it comes a long way before an $800 smartphone you tried to play finders keepers with.