Pro Rider training

[Qkkid]

$249 per person from ACC 16 x249 = $3984 plus $50 x 16 = $800 grande total for the day $4784 sounds like $50 from each person who attends as well

16 riders? WTF thats $4000 they made. Epic.

[starbug]

$249 per person from ACC 16 x249 = $3984 plus $50 x 16 = $800 grande total for the day $4784 sounds like $50 from each person who attends as well

Good on them!

[Tryhard]

Roger I stand by my beliefs and to that end, I am personally going to contact the 5 students (I never met them before, nor do I know them now) and with Pro riders permission ask them to write a short letter on how they felt the training day went (positive or negative) with the permission of the students post the letters here on this web site so that (you readers and fellow bikers can be the judges)

Let’s see what the outcome will be and I bet a bottle of scotch that my words will stand tall and straight and remember all you readers :riding is everything, anything before or after is just waiting, ride safe all, Kev.

Good idea- Im waiting..........

[Blackbird]

Good idea- Im waiting..........

Ummm... Weren't the 5 students that went with Kevin the ones who Raftn had no knowledge of, or am I wrong? Perhaps to get balance, we could also hear from the instructor with out of date rego, the instructor and student who speed through the road works and the students who failed to stop at a stop sign? Not trying to be smart, just to get an even perspective.

[Viking01]

Happened upon this thread the other evening, and have been interested in the various replies.

However, I'm struggling a little with the logic of Kevin's reply (i.e. that he would survey some
of the attendees, and see whether they enjoyed themselves and / or gained something useful
out of the course).

I thought Roger was primarily highlighting breaches of the Road Code (i.e. failing to stop; exceeding
signed speed; out of date rego displayed). I can't see how surveying some of the course attendees is
in any way relevant to the breaches listed immediately above.

Put it another way: If the instructor or one of the course attendees had been stopped by a
police officer because of one of the breaches, would the instructor's response have been "it's
OK, officer, it's not an issue, they were enjoying themselves". I think not.

I think I might have a little more respect for Kevin's reply if he had simply acknowledged shortcomings
on this occasion, agreed to do something about it, and then communicated back to Roger at a later
date what action had been taken in respect of the breaches.

[phill-k]

[Disco Dan]

[Madness]

[starbug]

Put it another way: If the instructor or one of the course attendees had been stopped by a
police officer because of one of the breaches, would the instructor's response have been "it's
OK, officer, it's not an issue, they were enjoying themselves". I think not.

I think I might have a little more respect for Kevin's reply if he had simply acknowledged shortcomings
on this occasion, agreed to do something about it, and then communicated back to Roger at a later
date what action had been taken in respect of the breaches.

Do you not think that when you ride your bike you make YOUR OWN decisions? i do! if my mate doesn't stop at a stop line i will not just follow him through, I make MY OWN decision.

A motorcycle instructor does not have the power to control your bike.

And if a student was to be stopped by the fuzz then he/she would be the only one in trouble.
So i believe your comments to be inaccurate Viking01. sorry.

i have done some digging through some mates in high places and it seems that Roger is connected with the IAM who were not successful in the tender for the ACC program.
Profesional jealousy?? I think that he has done some harm to their reputation.

[Tryhard]

Do you not think that when you ride your bike you make YOUR OWN decisions? i do! if my mate doesn't stop at a stop line i will not just follow him through, I make MY OWN decision.

A motorcycle instructor does not have the power to control your bike.

And if a student was to be stopped by the fuzz then he/she would be the only one in trouble.
So i believe your comments to be inaccurate Viking01. sorry.

i have done some digging through some mates in high places and it seems that Roger is connected with the IAM who were not successful in the tender for the ACC program.
Profesional jealousy?? I think that he has done some harm to their reputation.

So are you saying Roger is a ?

[nzspokes]

i have done some digging through some mates in high places and it seems that Roger is connected with the IAM

Did your mates in high places read the OPs first post in this thread to find this out.

[Maha]

Roger raised some relative points. Kev attempted a retort, but just oppossed eveything that was said by Roger...
The main points are listed below...for the money spent/received, this does not read that well to be honest

The debrief consisted of a brief discussion on shoulder checks and road rules, before we were shown pictures of where to position our bike on corners. There was no mention of the widely accepted I.P.S.G.A system of motorcycle roadcraft and control (Information, Position, Speed, Gear and Acceleration)

The five learners went off by themselves with another instructor and someone else to assist who had no qualifications to be teaching. (I know the person and skill level) This now left three instructors and 11 riders.
I witnessed one of them continually fail to indicate through three roundabouts then ride through roadworks with a designated 30 km/hr speed limit at 70 km/hr . I questioned him and he said that he was doing 50 kms per hour.

Braking was covered with a three minute video at lunch as well as counter steering. No demonstration was given.

I was further alarmed when being overtaken buy a guy on a 250cc motorbike through the same 30 km/hr work zone I have just mentioned, showering my bike with stones and showing a blatant disregard for other road users. To rub salt in to the wound, none of the instructors mentioned it to him or confronted him about it.

Further frustration arose when I saw that the Pro rider leader was riding a bike that was not registered to be on the road.

I was disheartened to see three riders in front of me run compulsory stops signs. Again I think it reflects on a lack of proper instruction and a glossing over of the road rules at the beginning of the day. How after 5 1/2 hours of so called training are riders still running stop signs.

By three o'clock I still had yet to receive any feedback on my riding, when I questioned this, I was told I was smooth but probably travelling too close to the centre line on left hand bends. I did mention that I get excellent visibility through the corner from there, and always give up the position for safety .....’’oh good he says’’.

At the end of the ride I was given a certificate of completion, a smiley sticker on my dashboard to remind to smile, relax and enjoy the ride, and a photocopied picture of the vanishing point.....the first time it was mentioned during the whole day. How the hell do you teach cornering with no emphasis on the vanishing point? I was also given a book on other reading material and encouraged to check out You Tube videos.

[Andy67]

i have done some digging through some mates in high places and it seems that Roger is connected with the IAM who were not successful in the tender for the ACC program.
Profesional jealousy?? I think that he has done some harm to their reputation.

IAM is a charity Starbug. I think your mates dont know their arse from their elbow.

[Andy67]

Do you not think that when you ride your bike you make YOUR OWN decisions? i do! if my mate doesn't stop at a stop line i will not just follow him through, I make MY OWN decision.

A motorcycle instructor does not have the power to control your bike.

If the instructor was unable to control repeated breaches of the road code and or dangerous riding then they can end the ride. Pretty simple.

[Andy67]

Hi Roger and hi everyone who has read this, is reading this now or who reads this in the future. I would like to give a fair and balanced opinion to the remarks that you have raised Roger.

So I will let the other instructors take up your comments, either way, positive or negative the only outcome will be positive for all riders of all ages and all levels, without challenge we are nothing, we cannot proceed to higher levels.
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Kev, you may be a top bloke in real life but you come across like some one has pissed in your weetbix only it's not your weetbix.

If roger said he saw these things then that's good enough for me.

He has no agenda other than he writes about his motorcycle experiences both good and bad and has done so for years.

You are not that instructor.

Can't wait for the instructor in question to comment like you promised.

Would love to go for a ride with you. You sound shit hot.