Pro Rider training

[stormerUK]

Hi Raftn,
It would be nice to hear from the officiating rider from NZTA who attended the Pro Rider courses and authorised the subsidised course payments.
Dylan.

[Tryhard]

Why have we still not heard from Por Rider on this one?

[Mom]

Why have we still not heard from Por Rider on this one?

Write and ask them, I have

[Kickaha]

Why have we still not heard from Por Rider on this one?

Maybe they feel they have better things to do than come onto KB and defend themselves against a bunch of know it all cunts who weren't even there for the course

[Tryhard]

Maybe they feel they have better things to do than come onto KB and defend themselves against a bunch of know it all cunts who weren't even there for the course

My mistake I thought the op raftn was on the course he wrote about. My bad

[GTRMAN]

As the issues raised are of real concern, and from what has been written the OP has raised these issues with the appropriate people, perhaps the KB peoples court needs to just let it go.

To be honest any training organisation worth its salt will take the feedback on board and deal with any congruencies in the appropriate way.

I'm sure the results of any discussions or remedial changes will make their way on to this thread.





IPSGA

[nzspokes]

Any news on this?

[MadDuck]

Maybe they feel they have better things to do than come onto KB and defend themselves against a bunch of know it all cunts who weren't even there for the course

Then there are those of us cunts who care about how our tax money is being spent. They dont need to come on here you are correct. But some of us care if our tax money is being pissed against a wall. It it obvious you dont. Good for you. I damn well do.

[raftn]

Then there are those of us cunts who care about how our tax money is being spent. They dont need to come on here you are correct. But some of us care if our tax money is being pissed against a wall. It it obvious you dont. Good for you. I damn well do.

Even through I have sent two emails to Prorider, they have choosen not to repsond to either. It is a shame, if nothing else it was an opportunity for them to address some issues and pehaps change for the good. No business, person, system or structure is completly faultless. Humilty and learning from our mistakes goes along way to improvment.

I recived an email from Auckland Transport, it addressed to me, but was , as expected a fairly standard reply.

I have voiced my concerns, and raised the matter with all relevant Governtment deptartments. I can do no more than that.

My time is better spent working with motorcyclists , through IAM who wish to ride to an advanced standard.

For people who are serious about training, there are many good training business, (Some mentioned here) that will offer you a great level of proper training, It wont cost $50, but the benefit is not measured in moneatary terms.

I had been riding for 7 years before I undertook an Advanced one on one rider instruction course.....it took me two hours before I even got out of the car park. I learnt so much that day that it installed a burning desire to ride to a high standard. To perfect the art of motorcycling. It is a goal I still pursue.


For those that are interested there are several blogs I have written that are dedicated to that journey. A serch of my blog will show them.


http://rogerfleming-raftnn.blogspot.co.nz/

I count myself lucky that I can enjoy one of lifes great hobbies and passions.

[gunnyrob]

hey boys & girls, I've just attended the prorider training day at Hampton downs. I am also a full member of IAM (though not yet an observer) but found the day to be well organised, suitable for learner and above (all split into groups) and fun. no real dramas were spotted, and it was noted that things like "is your rego, wof, and is your licence sweet for yur bike" were included as part of the pre ride brief. it was obvious that the issues raised by this thread have been addressed.

As an experienced person in a mentoring role, I will be recommending this training to personnel in my RNZAF road riding group.

thanks karel & chris, your feedback was choice.

[nzspokes]

I've just attended the prorider training day at Hampton downs.

Which is at the core of the problem. Road training should be on the road.

Cheapest is not the best.

[GTRMAN]

Which is at the core of the problem. Road training should be on the road.

Cheapest is not the best.

Maybe horses for courses, sometimes it is best to focus on the mechanical interaction with the motorcycle in an environment where the hazards are few and controlled. However I agree that anything that is focused on road riding or roadcraft needs to be on the road.

[wharekura]

I attended RoadSafe course recently with most of the cost covered by councils. My reason for going is that I have got back into riding since Nov 2011 and wanted to sharpen up on my cornering.
Team consisted of Instructor and 5 to 7 Ulysess mentors.
Course reduced from Sat Novice, Sun Experienced to Sat only mixed. Would of been around 25 students of varying age, ability (the odd L plates were visible) and gender.
The course consisted of 50% theory and 50% practical in car park for braking, cornering and slow maneuvering.

My criticisms would be:
1. Day too short to fit everything in
2. I wanted the focus on being a novice, so I wasnt with a group of experienced riders that would get bored - or with someone in the theory sessions that thought s/he knew more than the instructor!
3. Needed a practical on road session followed by mentors, so they can give advice (e.g. your cornering is crap and you need to do...)

However:
1. Well organised
2. Theory sessions enjoyable and interesting (crash stat figures given every so often) and key things emphasized ("eyes up", hand of the front brake etc)
3. Mentors were very mindful and always gave tips on how to do things during practical sessions
4. They made sure the basics were mastered - like emergency braking

For this particular course I attended, it should be treated as a general all-rounder and I think is ideal before going to something like a road craft course which I am now looking for. My daughter is one year away from sitting her license and I will definitely be sending her to one of Andrew's (the instructor) courses.

Overall, I enjoyed it. And I came out with more confidence.

[gunnyrob]

Which is at the core of the problem. Road training should be on the road.

Cheapest is not the best.

One course does not fit all, this is one arrow in the quiver and this track based course allowed us to explore cornering techniques in a controlled environment.

I totally agree that there is a need for urban based training such as that offered by other training providers.

Given that we were split into groups of twelve, it was impossible to have the detailed one on one interaction as I had with Phil McDaid when I undertook a confident rider course with him last year.

Considering that this course is one of very few ways to get use of our ACC levies, you'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face if you don't take advantage of it. As I said, I'll be recommending it to others in my riding group.

Well done to ALL those reputable training providers out there, you're doing a great job.