Drug decriminalisation in Portugal

[007XX]

An interesting read, if not a hugely conclusive one. I wished the data was a little more clean cut I must say.

I'm not pro hard drugs decriminalisation, but I found it interesting to read that over 12 years of trialling, the "end of the world" scenarios everyone seems to always predict hasn't happened.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-891060.html

[scissorhands]

My friends are moving to Portugal for the fresh air

[Zedder]

An interesting read, if not a hugely conclusive one. I wished the data was a little more clean cut I must say.

I'm not pro hard drugs decriminalisation, but I found it interesting to read that over 12 years of trialling, the "end of the world" scenarios everyone seems to always predict hasn't happened.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-891060.html

It is interesting, decriminalisation and prevention.

I wonder how our politicians would go with it? Mind you, they all appear to be on drugs themselves...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Sweden.

drug addiction is a disease, treat it like one. But punish any criminal behaviour used to finance a lifestyle. Win win. its too sensible for this country tho.

[Maha]

mmmmmm Sangria

[scissorhands]

Sweden.

drug addiction is a disease, treat it like one. But punish any criminal behaviour used to finance a lifestyle. Win win. its too sensible for this country tho.

While most who are addicts probably have addict/alcoholic parents, part of what you say is true, its a hereditary disorder. But the process od addiction is usually self medicating, like say being funny looking or with a mental disorder. Even astrologically those born rooster are more prone than most other chinese animal archetypes to suffer addiction issues.

I have OCD [obsessive compulsive disorder...] properly channelled its a resource for survival, or excellence, an evolutionary strength, misregulated, and I'm an all or nothing, imbalanced, my own worst enemy. But an underlying autism [and societies reaction to] creates the OCD... creates self medication to escape........bring it all down

As far as NZ addiction issues go, a massive reduction in drug and alcohol harm would occur if simply for [well run] kibbutz style farms/communities or simply a primary spiritual experience... and commonly occuring following life change's...

Detox programs seem to work for most people for some time, then, the underlying cause that has still not been addressed.... let alone been made aware of.....family or lonliness issues maybe, resurfaces

Addicts are a [necessary] by product of society, often sensitive souls. Like a bodies self maintaining systems..... not all cells will be healthy. In an organic body, less cells will be diseased. Winners are often horrid.

We all have dis ease's, some choose chemical treatments, some musical, machinery and bikes, food treatments, sex addictions.............. I was on a skateboard for 6 hours yesterday....now I can hardly move.

Choose your poison

[Brian d marge]

Just thinking the same this morning , the boys were flying helecopters to pull up a few plants ,,,why ? why do they spend so much money ......

he ho

Stephen

[James Deuce]

Yay! Pseudo-science! Yay! And Astrology! YAY! Also, for good measure RELIGION! HOORAY!

I am a bad person but I am not going to hell because there is no such thing. So you'll just have to be comfortable with me being a bad person.

[Fergus]

I am a bad person but I am not going to hell because there is no such thing. So you'll just have to be comfortable with me being a bad person.

You are going to hell...

for implying astrology isn't pseudoscience

[James Deuce]

Oh bollocks, it does read like that, doesn't it?

Porcupines rule!

[Akzle]

I'm not pro hard drugs decriminalisation, but I found it interesting to read that over 12 years of trialling, the "end of the world" scenarios everyone seems to always predict hasn't happened.

why draw the line? are the general population not smart enough to make decisions for themselves?
most drugs people use recreationally, you can get a prescription for.
many of the drugs you can get a prescription or: you wouldn't want because they're fucking toxic shit.

and what's going to happen to the gang's funding, if any joe can just go down to the corner dairy and pick up a couple of pins and some coke for the weekend?
regulated dose/consistency/purity, regulated price, and a bit of that tax stuff that the government likes.

I have OCD [obsessive compulsive disorder...] properly channelled its a resource for survival, or excellence, an evolutionary strength, misregulated, and I'm an all or nothing, imbalanced, my own worst enemy. But an underlying autism [and societies reaction to] creates the OCD... creates self medication to escape........bring it all down

As far as NZ addiction issues go, a massive reduction in drug and alcohol harm would occur if simply for [well run] kibbutz style farms/communities or simply a primary spiritual experience... and commonly occuring following life change's...
Choose your poison

i have CDO. it's like OCD, but the letters are in order.

i do tend toward self medication... how are my eyebrows, bro?

modern "society" lacks a "coming of age" ritual. the 21st is no longer what it once was, now just an excuse to drink lots of alcohol and vomit, same as every other weekend, really.
the mingians used to send their boys into caves with a peace pipe and leave them there for the weekend, they either got stoned and fell off a cliff, or learned the meaning of life.
i'm into that shit.

check out DMT man, and if you find a source (ayahuasca, esque), i'll come over for a sass.

[scissorhands]

why draw the line? are the general population not smart enough to make decisions for themselves?
most drugs people use recreationally, you can get a prescription for.
many of the drugs you can get a prescription or: you wouldn't want because they're fucking toxic shit.

and what's going to happen to the gang's funding, if any joe can just go down to the corner dairy and pick up a couple of pins and some coke for the weekend?
regulated dose/consistency/purity, regulated price, and a bit of that tax stuff that the government likes.



i have CDO. it's like OCD, but the letters are in order.

i do tend toward self medication... how are my eyebrows, bro?

modern "society" lacks a "coming of age" ritual. the 21st is no longer what it once was, now just an excuse to drink lots of alcohol and vomit, same as every other weekend, really.
the mingians used to send their boys into caves with a peace pipe and leave them there for the weekend, they either got stoned and fell off a cliff, or learned the meaning of life.
i'm into that shit.

check out DMT man, and if you find a source (ayahuasca, esque), i'll come over for a sass.

I'm onto it man, mescaline is indicated for OCD, and its done the trick!

Its odd that OCD responds well to a mushroom trip. Alcoholism treatments were pioneered with an acid trip experience.

If I was a farmer, or trying to build the next 'Worlds fastest Indian' I'd probably make a lot of money and/or succeed, with my resident OCD to drive me forward from the great wallowing herd

God thats enough to drive you to drink if you think about it too much....

[mashman]

Oh that NZ grows a similar set of balls... and plants for LEGAL consumption.

[007XX]

While most who are addicts probably have addict/alcoholic parents, part of what you say is true, its a hereditary disorder. But the process od addiction is usually self medicating, like say being funny looking or with a mental disorder. Even astrologically those born rooster are more prone than most other chinese animal archetypes to suffer ....

Addicts are a [necessary] by product of society, often sensitive souls. Like a bodies self maintaining systems..... not all cells will be healthy. In an organic body, less cells will be diseased. Winners are often horrid.

We all have dis ease's, some choose chemical treatments, some musical, machinery and bikes, food treatments, sex addictions.............. I was on a skateboard for 6 hours yesterday....now I can hardly move.

Choose your poison

Whhaaaat? Are you serious? C'mon, you're just taking the mickey there surely...

why draw the line? are the general population not smart enough to make decisions for themselves?
most drugs people use recreationally, you can get a prescription for.
many of the drugs you can get a prescription or: you wouldn't want because they're fucking toxic shit.
.

Why? Honestly?

Because I have a visceral need to protect my kids from being exposed to fucked up shit like acid, coke, heroin, etc
And in my motherly mind, the more easily available, the more likely they will be, at one point or another, to be exposed to it and tempted. This is a certainty, no matter how good an upbringing I have been giving them.

Now, I realise that reading this, I might come across as a prim and proper twin sets and pearl little goody two shoes. But you know what? Fuck it... The farther I keep my children from hard drugs, the better I feel, and there is nothing anyone can say that'll make me change my mind.

I'm onto it man, mescaline is indicated for OCD, and its done the trick!

Its odd that OCD responds well to a mushroom trip. Alcoholism treatments were pioneered with an acid trip experience.

....

Could it be something along the lines of why Ritalin (and other psychostimulants) is used in treating the chemical imbalance in the brain at the source of ADD or ADHD?

[Ender EnZed]

I have a visceral need to protect my kids from being exposed to fucked up shit like acid, coke, heroin, etc
And in my motherly mind, the more easily available, the more likely they will be, at one point or another, to be exposed to it and tempted. This is a certainty, no matter how good an upbringing I have been giving them.

I agree, totally. And I think it's what all children should be exposed to. Drugs are not GOOD. Ever. Basically.

But, regardless of the legal structure and the effective system in which he or she is brought up in, he or she is very likely to encounter drugs.

The how and why is not that important. It'll happen; just like penis(cock)/pussy(vagina) and (breasts)boobs. Nothing will ever make puberty boring. At some level you could probably construct a competition between drug use and teenage pregnancy. No one will win of course bu it's in the nature of growing up.

The question that impacts so heavily on society is what any given individual will do on discovery of a method of excitement that relies on no one else. You can't expect kids to avoid excitement because you say so, that's just dumb. You have to teach them the effects of drugs in a holistic manner if you expect them to pay attention. That includes the positives.

I don't think kids will ever stay clear of and avoid what they don't really know and suspect might be cool.