Baroness Thatcher dies overnight

**BoristheBiter** · 13th April 2013, 22:39

Originally Posted by ellipsis

Like I said no need to.

For some reason she was the type of person that you liked or hated, the savoir of England or the destoryer.
Everyone had their reasons, and being a hater now only shows that you (in the general sense) are yet to move forward and are stuck in the past.

...like I said TRY... I'd rather be stuck in the past than stuck in the back...by a power hungry, shopkeepers daughter...class reactionary to a tee...[/QUOTE]

Class reactionary?? could you please explain that?

**Berries** · 14th April 2013, 00:03

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

Everyone had their reasons, and being a hater now only shows that you (in the general sense) are yet to move forward and are stuck in the past.

I imagine most people moved on, certainly those of us who jumped ship from the sinking UK and ended up here. It is not her death that brings it back to light, it is all this rah rah rah bollocks from people who possibly didn't see all the negative affects her policies resulted in. They certainly didn't live them.

**jonbuoy** · 14th April 2013, 04:23

She was no saint but she did have balls and managed to sort out the huge mess the Labour government landed them with. It's a familiar pattern Labour spend until the countries near broke, make ridiculous PC laws. Tories step in make huge cuts get the country back on track but concentrate on keeping the best deals for their Oxford and Eaton chums.

**BoristheBiter** · 14th April 2013, 09:00

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

She was no saint but she did have balls and managed to sort out the huge mess the Labour government landed them with. It's a familiar pattern Labour spend until the countries near broke, make ridiculous PC laws. Tories step in make huge cuts get the country back on track but concentrate on keeping the best deals for their Oxford and Eaton chums.

And that is politics world wide, each look after there own.

**BoristheBiter** · 14th April 2013, 09:04

Originally Posted by Berries

I imagine most people moved on, certainly those of us who jumped ship from the sinking UK and ended up here. It is not her death that brings it back to light, it is all this rah rah rah bollocks from people who possibly didn't see all the negative affects her policies resulted in. They certainly didn't live them.

Well that's just because most like to see the good in people and are willing to forget the past especially why someone dies.
And you forget about the people the were better off from her policies.

Now I wonder what the funeral will be like for Tony Blair?

**jonbuoy** · 14th April 2013, 09:20

Originally Posted by BoristheBiter

And that is politics world wide, each look after there own.

Yup generally politics is about getting and staying in power- nothing to do wth doing the right thing for the country and its people as a whole - long term. Its all short term " in my lifetime gain". What politician is going to stand up and say the best thing for the country is to take some unpleasant medicine for the next 100 years and pay off its debts?

**PrincessBandit** · 14th April 2013, 09:27

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Yup generally politics is about getting and staying in power- nothing to do wth doing the right thing for the country and its people as a whole - long term. Its all short term " in my lifetime gain". What politician is going to stand up and say the best thing for the country is to take some unpleasant medicine for the next 100 years and pay off its debts?

That sounds awfully close to home...

**Hinny** · 14th April 2013, 10:14

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Huh ??? What ??? leading NZ historian James belich

I think Belich can be more accurately referred to as the leading rewriter of New Zealand history.

**mashman** · 14th April 2013, 10:22

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

She was no saint but she did have balls and managed to sort out the huge mess the Labour government landed them with. It's a familiar pattern Labour spend until the countries near broke, make ridiculous PC laws. Tories step in make huge cuts get the country back on track but concentrate on keeping the best deals for their Oxford and Eaton chums.

What is this huge mess that we keep hearing about, as I'm still yet to find any solid evidence that the UK was overly debt ridden in the 70's? I'd argue that the Conservative govt signing off decimalisation has a little something to do with the state of the country in the 70's. Also the recession that followed Maggie taking power. It does seem to be that when a recession is engineered, I mean occurs, that the Tory's end up in power. Given that it's the exact same people who are dealing with monetary policy, t'would seem a little odd that it generally happens come election time and miraculously followed by a right whinge win. Maggie was true to her right whinge form, sell it off as the market knows best... and when she tried to slip into libertarian territory she had "lost it" and was booted out. Political games that have fuck all to do with politics... non of them should be revered for doing as they're told.

**Oscar** · 14th April 2013, 10:54

Originally Posted by mashman

What is this huge mess that we keep hearing about, as I'm still yet to find any solid evidence that the UK was overly debt ridden in the 70's? I'd argue that the Conservative govt signing off decimalisation has a little something to do with the state of the country in the 70's. Also the recession that followed Maggie taking power. It does seem to be that when a recession is engineered, I mean occurs, that the Tory's end up in power. Given that it's the exact same people who are dealing with monetary policy, t'would seem a little odd that it generally happens come election time and miraculously followed by a right whinge win. Maggie was true to her right whinge form, sell it off as the market knows best... and when she tried to slip into libertarian territory she had "lost it" and was booted out. Political games that have fuck all to do with politics... non of them should be revered for doing as they're told.

More proof of your delusional state.

Do power cuts, four day weeks and constant strikes ring any bells in your addled melon?

**Brian d marge** · 14th April 2013, 11:37

you might find that it might not have been the "mismanagement " of the country by those tree hugging hippies , but outside force such as the americans pumping dollars into the international economy , the Arabs getting pissed and raising the prices of oil , Also one of the largest stock crashes , repeated again in the late 70s. ( google , Breton woods , Nixon shock and 73 oil crisis , , great depression )
now go back and re-evaluate the decisions made by Labour and Mrs T

Stephen

**rapid van cleef** · 14th April 2013, 14:30

Well said Berries. I remember as a kid being in a house with no food, power cuts, huge cues outside the dole office, riots accross several parts of the country, whole communities becoming destitute due to businesses closing down left right and centre and people go on about how great Maggie was. Did you live there and endure the hardship as a direct resut of her policies? It boils my piss!

**Ocean1** · 14th April 2013, 14:47

Originally Posted by Oscar

Do power cuts, four day weeks and constant strikes ring any bells in your addled melon?

I was there when a couple of undercover reporters broke the story about British Leyland's Oxford factory nightshift's activities. The thing is nobody was surprised, getting pissed and sleeping on the job was accepted practice at pretty much every institution unions ruled. The cost was irrelevant, it was someone else's problem.

About then I was working a shift at a brewery in central London. The engineers' union delegate was a guy called Tommy B. Tommy was responsible for repairing the roll-on roll-off truck decks and he worked in a seperate workshop. He had a mate who did all the actual work because theoretically Tommy was always tied up doing union work. His workshop was the old brewery stable, and no company supervisors or managers were allowed in there because it was the oficial union office. I'd been there all of two weeks when I was told Tommy wanted to see me in his office. I's already been yelled at a few times for various productivity and demarcation transgressions, so I thought I was in the shit for good this time.

Tommy greeted me fairly warmly, (which was a relief), and told me he had an offer I'd struggle to refuse, (which wasn't). Tommy was the local fence, and his workshop was lined with lockers, full of stuff that'd fallen off the back of trucks. He had me in a spanking new Marks & Spencer suit, and was giving it the genuine cockney spiel in spite of the fact that the cuffs were around me elbows. I managed to talk my way out ot there eventually, and one of the sparkies told me he was connected to what was then left of the Kray boys empire.

The last time I saw Tommy was as I was clocking in one day. A couple of of guys had placed him gently at the bottom of the stairs, so that he could claim the injuries he had were from falling down at work, rather than as the result, (as I later heard) of the latest in a series of family squabbles. Fuck he was a mess.

That was how that world worked then, and union power was the means to that end. It was entertaining and I wouldn't have missed it for the world but it certainly wasn't sustainable. Sooner or later the cows had to come home to roost, and I guess Maggie was on the spot at the time, and that's about it.